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Taliesin
07-17-2011, 01:09 AM
Here's the character sheet I'm working on. This particular version is not interactive (with fillable fields). It integrates most of the comments in the thread below. I can't offer a B&W version right now, but will consider making one after the design has "stabilized". If you want the InDesign source files to tweak to your heart's content, PM me and I'll happily send them to you. As always, your comments and feedback are most welcome!

UPDATE: Here's the latest and greatest (https://www.dropbox.com/s/untlsmod8sjcrt3/Taliesins-Pendragon-Generic-sheet-v7.pdf), updated July 31, 2013:

Enjoy

T.

DarrenHill
07-17-2011, 06:23 AM
That's beautiful.
The only thing I'd suggest: have underlines in the spaces for damage, move rate, etc.

Oh! If you can find space for it, a workspace for "current glory" - all those little 5 and 10 and 50 point awards you get as you play through the session.

Maybe that should go on the back - when will the back be ready? :)

doorknobdeity
07-17-2011, 06:35 AM
I do like the way all the combat-relevant info is more consolidated; maybe make that even more so? Maybe have the stats like Damage, Knockdown, Armor, Major Wound, and the combat skills in one box.

A black-and-white version would be really nice.

Taliesin
07-17-2011, 02:41 PM
That's beautiful.
The only thing I'd suggest: have underlines in the spaces for damage, move rate, etc.

Ah, yes, of course. Done! Will post a new version shortly.


Oh! If you can find space for it, a workspace for "current glory" - all those little 5 and 10 and 50 point awards you get as you play through the session.

Maybe that should go on the back - when will the back be ready? :)

Good idea! I think you're right about the back; I'm all outta space on the front. Hmm. Will try to make some adjustments there—it really belongs on the front. Lemme see...

Taliesin
07-17-2011, 02:47 PM
I do like the way all the combat-relevant info is more consolidated; maybe make that even more so? Maybe have the stats like Damage, Knockdown, Armor, Major Wound, and the combat skills in one box.

Thanks, doornobdeity! Let's see...all that info is right there next to combat—the proximity is helpful, I think. But I don't know about moving it in all together in one box. I think I would like to keep attributes and derived attributes together and skills together.


A black-and-white version would be really nice.

Yeah, lemme see about that. After I get this one all tweaked out, I'll take a look at how much effort's involved. Of course, you can always print this one to B&W, but I imagine you're wanting the background and stuff removed, huh?

T.

Taliesin
07-17-2011, 02:58 PM
Okay, I made the changes Darren suggested. I had to lose one line from the "Distinctive Features" section, but I think it's a good trade-off and there's still adequate space to list distinguishing characteristics there. Will try to get the back of the sheet done today and post another update to the files. For now, just click on the same links listed above to download the new versions. That should work.

Best,


T.

Taliesin
07-17-2011, 04:46 PM
I've updated the links at top to include the latest version—which now includes the back of the sheet. My next step is to make these interactive forms, but I'm not in a big hurry to do that...


Best,


T.

Xarlaxas
08-19-2011, 10:48 AM
Might be a bit late in posting here but I really like that sheet.

I've just noticed though that the *s by the Chivalry traits appear to be missing?

Also, do you think it would be possible to have a version where Pious is replaced with Otherworldly like Greg mentions in his article? (http://www.gspendragon.com/pagans1.html)

Oh, and one thing that would be awesome is a version with the Cymric skill bonuses blank so it could be used with the Book of Knights and Ladies!

Hope I'm not sounding demanding!

Taliesin
09-03-2011, 03:13 AM
Sorry this has taken so long, Xarlaxas, but see the links below to find new versions with all your requests done.

Cymric sheet:
http://db.tt/TcvUcM1

Generic sheet:
http://db.tt/m4ffXGb

Enjoy!


T.

Taliesin
09-03-2011, 03:32 AM
Doorknobdeity, here's a B&W version (Cyrmic):

http://db.tt/CYxDLj6


Thanks!


T.

SDLeary
09-03-2011, 06:30 AM
DAMN! Vera vera nicea! ;D

SDLeary

Taliesin
09-03-2011, 01:53 PM
Thanks!


T.

Xarlaxas
09-03-2011, 05:28 PM
You are a star Taliesin! :)

My last request would be a Generic B&W sheet if you have the chance?

I'm very impressed with what you've already done, thanks so much! :)

Undead Trout
09-04-2011, 05:44 AM
You're missing one rather useful Combat skill: Siege, introduced in GPC. It also appears in BOKL.

Merlin
09-04-2011, 02:50 PM
I'll belatedly add my 'that look's lovely' to the list of responses. Nice sheets! Will be using them next time I need one...

Taliesin
09-04-2011, 07:53 PM
You're missing one rather useful Combat skill: Siege, introduced in GPC. It also appears in BOKL.


D'oh! Hadn't seen that. Will look at adding it.


Thanks,


T.

Taliesin
09-07-2011, 04:04 AM
Okay, Undead Trout, the color versions linked above with the tiny urls now include the Siege skill. Will finish the B&W versions soonish.


T.

Earl De La Warr
09-08-2011, 09:42 PM
Just a question on the Generic sheet. There is a +3 on CON. Is this the Cymric modifier?

Very nice sheets.

Taliesin
09-08-2011, 09:44 PM
D'oh! I must missed that. Damn...

Okay. I'll submit a new one soonish.


T.

Taliesin
09-11-2011, 05:31 PM
Okay, there's a new, generic sheet at the above link. No CON modifier! Thanks for spotting that!

I still need to update my B&W versions...


T.

Primo Cavaliere
09-13-2011, 08:41 AM
Hello Taliesin,

you made a wonderful work. I am amazed. But I see you went against the same problem I encountered making an italian version of the ch-sheets.
In this game system, you can't make a generic sheet, because the Cymri can be Pagan or British Christian, then you can have a Roman, Roman Christian, and so on. Every time the underlined traits are to be changed, the math underlining the sheet must be changed to consider that change, and some skills, if you use the BoK&L must be changed.
In any case, keep yourself strong, because you made a wonderful work at it.

Taliesin
09-13-2011, 07:49 PM
Ah, thanks, Primo. Yeah, you may well be right about that, I haven't looked at it that closely, to be honest. I was just happy to have a Cymric one. You're right though, I can't see doing all those iterations. Hmm...


Best,


T.

Sam Crow
09-23-2011, 04:13 PM
Taliesin, I can convert your sheet into an Acrobat document, which will allow folks fill it out in PDF. Would you like me to do that?

Greg Stafford
09-23-2011, 04:28 PM
Ah, thanks, Primo. Yeah, you may well be right about that, I haven't looked at it that closely, to be honest. I was just happy to have a Cymric one. You're right though, I can't see doing all those iterations. Hmm...


If there is some computer whiz with spare time,
who would like to make me a huge set of repetitive character sheets,
including a set that moves through time
please contact me at my email
with the subject line "I love making character sheets"

-greg

Taliesin
09-23-2011, 06:49 PM
Taliesin, I can convert your sheet into an Acrobat document, which will allow folks fill it out in PDF. Would you like me to do that?


Thanks, Sam. I was going to get around to that—eventually. If you'd like to have one faster than "some day" by all means, be my guest. It's just not a super-high priority for me at the moment.

Best,


T.

Earl De La Warr
09-23-2011, 09:30 PM
Hi,

I handed out some sheets for my players to use. The first of the second generation has come of age!

Anyway, they spotted that some base skill points on the character sheet are wrong. Things like sword and horsemanship should start at 10 not 1.

Great effort though, as everyone liked the new design very much.

Taliesin
09-23-2011, 09:33 PM
Thanks, Earl. The "0" must have gotten truncated somehow. Lemme take a look...


T.

Sam Crow
09-27-2011, 10:44 PM
Okay. I made the sheet into (what should be) a PDF form that can be filled out online or on a computer. It will also keep track of your glory and do calculations for your derivative stats. You dont need acrobat to fill it out (or so I think) but you might need it to save it. Its too big to post here and I dont have hosting but I guess I could send it to you tal. Let me know.

Taliesin
09-28-2011, 12:29 AM
Sure thing! Try to send it in a PM. If that doesn't work, we'll go to Plan B.


Thanks!


T.

Sam Crow
09-28-2011, 12:07 PM
Plan B it is...Per Earl de la Warr, I posted it on drop box.

https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/TALIESIN%27S%20CHARACTER%20SHEET.pdf?w=cf930829

Okay it appears to have worked. Try it out and let me know what needs changing.

Taliesin
09-28-2011, 12:35 PM
Hmm. Not working for me, quite. I'm getting a 404 error when I click on the link...


T.

Earl De La Warr
09-28-2011, 02:16 PM
Not working for me either. The file needs to be in the shared folder to give everyone access. Simple to move once you log in.

Sam Crow
09-28-2011, 06:36 PM
How about now?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/43385117/TALIESIN%27S%20CHARACTER%20SHEET.pdf

Taliesin
09-28-2011, 09:57 PM
Got it! Thanks for doing this! A couple of comments: I'd consider using a smaller, serif font, and trying to match the brown color of the rest of the sheet. Also I might look at ovine the Attribute number fields closer to the Attribute labels. Also, when I enter a trait value on the left side, the right side is not adjusting accordingly. More later as I spend some time with it.


Best,


T.

Sam Crow
09-28-2011, 11:09 PM
Sounds good. The size of the text is supposed to adjust to how much you type. So, for example, if you have a very long name, it should shrink to fet the line youre typing it on.

Taliesin
09-28-2011, 11:15 PM
Yeah, that's a less than optimal solution though, trust me. Your type ends up being all kinds of funky sizes and it screws up the design cohesion of the document.


Best,


T.

Sam Crow
09-29-2011, 12:21 AM
Okay. Will change. Let me know what else. Thanks.

Taliesin
09-29-2011, 12:25 AM
Okay. Will change. Let me know what else. Thanks.


Actually, I'm working on it now. It's quite easy to make these tweaks once the heavy lifting's done. Thanks again for building this out!


T.

Taliesin
09-29-2011, 01:20 AM
Hey, Sam.

Was curious as to why your marked out the Lance and Spear on the PDF. Probably something I should know, but I'm still relatively new to the game, so I'm probably just forgetting something...


T.

Taliesin
09-29-2011, 04:17 AM
Hey, everybody!

Here's the latest version of the sheet—this time fully generic AND interactive, thanks to Sam Crow! I still would like to tweak out some of the fine details, but this is 95% ready for prime-time. Your feedback is most welcome. You should be able to fill this thing out with Acrobat Reader and save your changes. Keep the original blank and you can just copy it every time you need a new one. Sorry, no B&W version, yet. I'm gonna get this one completely tricked out before I tackle that.

In the next version, I'm going to indicate the Knightly skills with bold type or something'. There are some there alignment and other niggling oddities, but we're pretty close—close enough for you to test and report issues! Here's the link:

http://db.tt/qv6ot8Pq

I'm on a Mac, and everything seems to be working correctly, but I need to come back with a fresh eye.

Enjoy,


T.

Sam Crow
09-29-2011, 08:23 AM
Hey, Sam.

Was curious as to why your marked out the Lance and Spear on the PDF. Probably something I should know, but I'm still relatively new to the game, so I'm probably just forgetting something...


T.


Ah. Thats because I generated a sample character fromKnight & ladies on it and crossed out lance and spear gor great spear. You should be able to "uncross" it.

Taliesin
09-29-2011, 12:48 PM
Ah. Thats because I generated a sample character fromKnight & ladies on it and crossed out lance and spear gor great spear. You should be able to "uncross" it.


Okay, gotcha.


T.

Earl De La Warr
10-12-2011, 05:50 PM
Hey, everybody!

Here's the latest version of the sheet—this time fully generic AND interactive, thanks to Sam Crow! I still would like to tweak out some of the fine details, but this is 95% ready for prime-time. Your feedback is most welcome. You should be able to fill this thing out with Acrobat Reader and save your changes. Keep the original blank and you can just copy it every time you need a new one. Sorry, no B&W version, yet. I'm gonna get this one completely tricked out before I tackle that.

In the next version, I'm going to indicate the Knightly skills with bold type or something'. There are some there alignment and other niggling oddities, but we're pretty close—close enough for you to test and report issues! Here's the link:

http://db.tt/qv6ot8Pq

I'm on a Mac, and everything seems to be working correctly, but I need to come back with a fresh eye.

Enjoy,


T.


Hi Link not working for me. I'm getting a 404 error. The link looks a little too short.

Taliesin
10-12-2011, 06:05 PM
Ah. Sorry—I had it checked out for maintenance. I've posted it back, but the link has changed:

http://db.tt/c6rZjdQG

This one is the best version to date and fully interactive. Tell me if you have any issues.


Thanks,


M.

krijger
10-20-2011, 06:30 PM
I would add MUCH more lines for passions (only 2 free lines, while almost all players get an Amor, Loyalty (arthur), Loyalty (brotherhood), admiration(Lancelot), Adoration (guinevere), Hate (villain), Concern Commoners, Fear (something) in addition to the default.

fg,
Thijs

Taliesin
10-20-2011, 06:58 PM
Thanks for your feedback!

Hm...that's indeed a big challenge. Being new to the game I was only going by the official sheet in the Core Book, which only has three "extra" lines. So I cut it to two. Don't know if I can pull off a half dozen of more.

At the very least I'll wait awhile before addressing this to see if any other big issues arise. The comments have been trickling in for awhile now and space is at such a premium that reworking it to accommodate things like this is no small feat (especially considering the interactive form aspects). I'll wait until the comments settle down and see how I can address it down the road.

Best,


T.

krijger
10-20-2011, 07:12 PM
I would sacrifice the portrait/empty space under the player name. Most players dont bother make a portrait.
Move Joust Record to back of sheet [my players never bother to fill it, Glory is what counts not your joust wins]
And move personal/travel/war gear on horse # to back of sheet (together with belongings), afterall this is not information you need 'everyday' [In two campaigns never used]
That will give you enough space to even add a shield/blazon in that column (which many player do like to design).

fg,
Thijs

Taliesin
10-20-2011, 07:16 PM
Yep; those are very major changes indeed—unless one doesn't care about being able to fill it out digitally. Making the layout changes are relatively trivial. But reconfiguring all of the interactive elements is very tedious and time consuming. I'll wait until the dust settles, probably, before revisiting this.

Thanks so much for the feedback!


T.

krijger
10-20-2011, 07:20 PM
To be honest, I've never used interactive parts of any sheet. Character creation is always done at the table and after that stats change so often that without erasing pencil the sheet would just be scratched out numbers. So I always insist on having sheets filled with pencil :)

fg,
Thijs

Taliesin
01-13-2012, 03:17 AM
Hey, Thijs, check this out:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5842659/Pendragon/Pendragon-Character-Sheet-for-Thijs.pdf

Enjoy!


T.

atminn
01-15-2012, 09:40 AM
That is an absolutely beautiful sheet Taliesin, and just in time for my a new campaign I started last week! This is simply tremendous work. Thanks for spending the time for all our benefit.

Since I'll be printing these, thus not needing form-fillable features, I am enamored of the adaptations you just posted for Thijs. Everything's there that needs to be, and little that doesn't. I greatly appreciate the many additional lines for Passions (my player knight has about 11 Passions already in Uther's period) and how you put Distinctive features under the Knight details on the left, and the Joust record on the back. Also, extra lines for Directed Traits is just grand.

If it's not too much trouble, would it be possible to adapt a version of this one for Thijs with blank values in all the Passions (also leaving the Saxons area blank for the first Hate), and blank values for the squire skills? I ask because these values change decently enough that I'd prefer writing them in pencil in the first place, rather than crossing out a printed number.

Also, would it be too much trouble to remove the italics on the Roman Christian traits so that players can just underline their religious virtues? I have two pagan knights, two British Christian, and a Roman Christian, so it's crossing my mind. Of course, underlining still works even with italics.

Finally, I know space is tight, but I'd prefer more space or lines for armor (armor, shield, Armor from Chivalry, Special/magic bonuses). You could move Clothing to the back under Equipment for more space, since it's usually just 1L. You could get another line by dropping the Breed line under best horse. That can be included in Type: ie "Andalusian charger"

The following are very little things:
I'm curious why Horsemanship, Sword, Awareness, First Aid, Courtesy, and Hunting are all bold.

Tiny thing that may not bother anybody else, on the back under Annual Glory Rewards, I'd put Religion right under Chivalry, and Passions under Traits, (or under Chivalry and Religion), with Holdings last, if only because that order emulates the order of each item on the front of the sheet.

And of course, a B/W version is always appreciated. I work in Mac's Pages too, so I'm willing to remove the background myself if it's too much trouble. Not because it's not gorgeous, but just because of ink. :)

Again, please let me reiterate, Thank you for this beautiful sheet!

Taliesin
01-15-2012, 02:11 PM
Thanks, Atminn!

Yes, all the changes you describe are relatively trivial—as long as I'm not making them interactive (fillable fields). Then all bets are off because it's very tedious to change the position of all those boxes.

Horsemanship , etc, are in boldface because they are the Knightly skills. I simply didn't have to room to indicate an explanation on the sheet, as I did with the Chivalry and Religious bonuses.

It's getting to the point, however, that I'm afraid of ending up with too many versions of the sheet to manage. I'm not doing these in Pages, though. Although I have and love that program, I don't think I can achieve this kind of layout precision therein, so I'm doing these in InDesign. If you have that program I'm happy to send you the source files.

Re: the blank values in Passion and Squire skills. I meant these to be the starting default, not the ongoing score. I think this is how it is in the current "official sheets". If there's no value to anyone to knowing these starting numbers, than I'm happy to delete them. I'm still pretty new to PENDRAGON so much of this sheet was just copied from what's in the current KAP 5.1 edition.

Re: B&W. Maintaining B&W version of all these different version in B&W is not something I'm really able to keep up with. If you simply drop out the background, the you lose all of the the little scrolls that form the subheads (because they need the background to anti-alias to or they look lousy), not to mention the PENDRAGON logo in the top right cover, which is also on the background layer. I initially built these for my own amusement, and didn't really engineer them for commercial-grade usage, nor did I even consider stuff like non-Cymric backgrounds. Otherwise I would have been much more careful how I engineered them from the jump. I'm gonna have to be either extremely bored or motivated to rebuild these sheets from the ground up to be ink-friendly. But I have two suggestions for B&W: First, just print the thing in black and white mode. Yeah, you'll still use a lot of black ink for the grayscale, but it will be a less than you would printing it in 4-6 colors. Second, take it to a Kinko's and let them print B&W lasers. Same price per page no matter how much ink is used. That said, on the whole I value and agree with all of the communities suggestions in this thread so far. If we can, one day, finally end up with something that works for everyone (or almost everyone) I may consider rebuilding the über-sheet in B&W. But, it's still evolving too much. Then again, if anyone's proficient in Adobe InDesign, I'm happy to post the source files for you to monkey with.

UPDATE: Go check out the "Latest and Greatest" version at the top of the thread. I made all these changes, and think I've cracked the way to get more Passions on the sheet.


Best,


T.

krijger
01-15-2012, 08:28 PM
Hey, Thijs, check this out:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5842659/Pendragon/Pendragon-Character-Sheet-for-Thijs.pdf

Enjoy!


T.


Talesien,
I see, I completely forgot to thank you! Thanks and I owe you one.

fg,
Thijs

Taliesin
01-15-2012, 09:06 PM
No prob! Be sure to check out the one I posted at the top of the thread, too. You might like it better yet, thanks to atminn's recent suggestions.

T.

MrUkpyr
01-16-2012, 09:19 PM
UPDATE: Here's the latest and greatest, updated January 15, 2012: http://db.tt/RSK8025A
Absolutely MAGNIFICANT!!

Thanks muchly. My PCs are going to love it!

Taliesin
01-16-2012, 09:25 PM
Aw, thanks, I'm glad you like. This contribution is the least I can do in return for all the help I've received on these forums. Enjoy!


T.

atminn
01-24-2012, 05:37 AM
Beautiful. Thank you for being willing to field my modification suggestions. I love all the space for passions!

This is excellent.

I am learning InDesign right now, and while I don't own it yet, I aim to soon, so I'll PM you once I do to gladly see the source files. Thanks for putting in all this work for the rest of us Taliesin!

Taliesin
01-24-2012, 11:46 AM
My pleasure. Enjoy!


T.

atminn
01-25-2012, 06:45 AM
We played with these sheets tonight they were great, but my players discovered a few things to note. It's definitely a tremendous sheet, but these are just a few nit-picky points:

If there could be a space above/beside horse type for main horse name, that's actually pretty important to many players
Quality of Maintenance, or just Maintenance (or maybe Lifestyle) should be a line in the Annual glory list. You can remove a few lines from the Holdings section.
If the square on top right could be a basic shield shape that'd be awesome. Players love designing their knight's identifying coat of arms.
In personal history on the back bottom, Born, Knighted, and Squired are out of order. Should be Born, Squired, Knighted. Likewise, Landed and Ennobled could be swapped to put Ennobled on the right
There's a chivalry asterisk on Trusting, but it should be on Valorous instead
There's a chivalry asterisk on Honest, but it should be on Modest instead
Under Army on the back left, what says "Other Liege Men" should be "Other Lineage Men"


To save one line of space on the front right, you could put squire's Age on the right end of the Name line. Age only needs a little room and names are only first names anyway.

atminn
01-28-2012, 02:59 PM
I want to reiterate that a lot of the notes above are things that the original sheet you were modeling yours after did strangely too. So you modeled it correctly and excellently, but in play it seems strange the way it is. I'm not sure if I'm missing some reason having Born, Knighted, Squired in that order makes sense, for instance, but that's the way the sheet is, at least that version.

This is great, let me say again. Really truly great. I'm still hoping to pick up InDesign in the very near future to lend a hand to the effort.

Taliesin
01-31-2012, 02:58 AM
We played with these sheets tonight they were great, but my players discovered a few things to note. It's definitely a tremendous sheet, but these are just a few nit-picky points:

You, sir...have some great ideas! Thanks, almost all of these changes were incorporated into the latest version, which is available at the top of the thread and here:

http://db.tt/HqfKQCD9

My comments below.




If there could be a space above/beside horse type for main horse name, that's actually pretty important to many players

Agreed. Done!


Quality of Maintenance, or just Maintenance (or maybe Lifestyle) should be a line in the Annual glory list. You can remove a few lines from the Holdings section.

Ah, good catch. Done.


If the square on top right could be a basic shield shape that'd be awesome. Players love designing their knight's identifying coat of arms.

Done and done!


In personal history on the back bottom, Born, Knighted, and Squired are out of order. Should be Born, Squired, Knighted. Likewise, Landed and Ennobled could be swapped to put Ennobled on the right

Yep, that's the way it is on the original sheet, but I like the way you think. Done!


There's a chivalry asterisk on Trusting, but it should be on Valorous instead
There's a chivalry asterisk on Honest, but it should be on Modest instead

Oops! Don't know how I missed that—but at least I didn't publish the wrong Chivalry Bonus value for the past 30+ years! Done!


Under Army on the back left, what says "Other Liege Men" should be "Other Lineage Men"


Indeed. Done!


To save one line of space on the front right, you could put squire's Age on the right end of the Name line. Age only needs a little room and names are only first names anyway.


Mmm...okay. Done!


Best,


T.

atminn
01-31-2012, 03:11 AM
Excellent, glad to be of service.

For the record, there's still an asterisk on Honest that doesn't belong. Being Deceitful is a very fun flaw to give an otherwise chivalrous knight.

Furthermore, it may be a pain, but I think there could benefit to be another space or two between the parentheses on each skill. You generally don't need the line for much but occasional notes.

Again, top notch work.

Taliesin
01-31-2012, 03:27 AM
Excellent, glad to be of service.

For the record, there's still an asterisk on Honest that doesn't belong. Being Deceitful is a very fun flaw to give an otherwise chivalrous knight.

Argh! Needless to say, it's very tough-going, proofing my own work. I thought I had those right. Damn. Okay, will correct and repost.


Furthermore, it may be a pain, but I think there could benefit to be another space or two between the parentheses on each skill. You generally don't need the line for much but occasional notes.

You're right. That's a pain. Since I'm filling those in digitally, I can do smaller type and it turns out fine. I can see how it would be a problem trying to write that small. Can't fix that tonight, though. Will probably leave it up to you when you get InDesign crankin'.

Best,


T.

Taliesin
01-31-2012, 03:33 AM
I've updated the files and the links above. Actually, it looks like the links didn't change...


Thanks,


M.

krijger
01-31-2012, 03:25 PM
So all that remains is a printer-friendly black/white version? :)

fg,
Thijs

Taliesin
01-31-2012, 03:33 PM
Ha. Well, I'd like to think this is now pretty bullet-proof, but let's wait for the dust to settle before I take that on. I don't want to maintain two separate versions, so I want to make sure this newest one is solid.

Best,


T.

Nicolas
02-12-2012, 08:53 AM
just for fun, not my work but the official french character sheet :
http://www.editions-icare.com/pendragon/liens.html

click on Télécharger les Fiches de Personnages
look on Pendragon_fdp_couleur.pdf and Pendragon_fdpf_couleur.pdf

Taliesin
04-04-2012, 01:08 PM
All—

I've posted a new update of my character sheet. This one is fully formified, meaning you can fill out the PDF form and then print it out. I think there may be some issues with the tab order that I forgot to straighten out, but it's still eminently usable. I'll correct those pesky tabs on the next rev. That said, I think the sheet has stabilized to the point that I can pretty safely make a B&W "printer friendly" version. I'll try to get that done soonish. Thanks to all of you who offered constructive criticism to improve the sheet!

I've tried to make the sheet neutral when it comes to culture, so you should be able to use any culture from the BOOF OF KNIGHTS AND LADIES—I hope. I haven't tested that theory, so there may be some traps I didn't anticipate—just let me know if you run into something. This also means that each player will have to underline his religious traits—although it would be simple to offer a different version for each religion—Roman and British Christian and Pagan—so the sheet could be kept wholly in the digital realm.

Anyway, here's the latest and greatest, updated April 4, 2012: http://db.tt/XShtpphl

Enjoy!


T.

krijger
04-04-2012, 01:21 PM
Again very nice

Why are certain skills bold?
Also 20+ traits give negative counter-trait while I believe minimum is 1..
But that also means you should be able to fill right column if your negative trait is 20+
[Remembering my 26 Lustful player]

fg,
Thijs

Taliesin
04-04-2012, 01:48 PM
Again very nice.

Thanks!


Why are certain skills bold?

Those are the "Knightly skills". Alas, there's precious little room for a label...


Also 20+ traits give negative counter-trait while I believe minimum is 1..
But that also means you should be able to fill right column if your negative trait is 20+
[Remembering my 26 Lustful player]

Wait—Traits can go over 20? I thought each side had to equal 20? Had no idea you could go over...

26 Lustful? How do you manage such a character? He must been rapin' everything in sight!


T.

krijger
04-04-2012, 02:32 PM
Wait—Traits can go over 20? I thought each side had to equal 20? Had no idea you could go over...

26 Lustful? How do you manage such a character? He must been rapin' everything in sight!


yes, they can go over 20 (at least last time I checked [but most experience is 4e], 5.1 not with me)

Lustful 26 does not go around raping, neither way that a 26 cruel tortures everyone he meets, nor a 26 valorous slays everything he sees. He just could never even try to resist a female charm....
"Fellow knights, you ride on, leave me behind, I must stay here to.. to.. protect these scantly clad pagan females"
(and we lost track of his number of bastards, but it was a small army, and those were only the official ones)

fg,
Thijs

Taliesin
04-04-2012, 02:38 PM
Ah, well, if we could get the official word on whether Traits can exceed 20, that would be helpful. I just might not be able to make the field auto-caluculate. No big deal, mind you, just a wee time-saver.


T.

krijger
04-04-2012, 03:17 PM
Ah, I had the 5.1 from drivethru rpg, page 67

Normally, no trait may ever be higher
than 19 or lower than 1, except through experience or by
the use of increased Glory (see “Traits Over 19”).

TRAITS OVER 19
Some extraordinary characters may have a trait valued
of 20, 25, or perhaps even more! Scores above 19 are always
the result of increases made during the Winter Phase (or
perhaps by Gamemaster fi at). Such characters always have a
value of 0 for the opposite trait, and are known through all
the land for their unrelenting, utterly fanatical behavior.
Unopposed rolls against these traits are handled as
with any other unopposed roll having a value of 20 or higher
— the score is treated as 20, and any amount in excess of
20 is treated as a modifi er to the roll itself.
As usual, trait values should be listed in pencil on the
character sheet as whole numbers, each to one side of the
slash (/) mark.

fg,
Thijs

Taliesin
04-04-2012, 04:49 PM
Well, look at that. I do remember that passage now, and must confess I thought it was referring to Passions for some reason.

Oh, well, I'll lose the calculations on those fields. People will just have to enter/manage both sides. Thanks for catching that. Plus, I learned something new about the game!


T.

Xarlaxas
04-04-2012, 06:34 PM
Really excited for these updated character sheets, will probably implement them next time players have a big death-fest. :)

Taliesin
04-04-2012, 08:13 PM
For those of you paying really close attention: I've updated the file to take care of the problem with Traits over 20 cited above. I have not changed the name of the file. The most recent link should bring up the corrected version.

Thanks,


T.

Taliesin
04-05-2012, 01:29 PM
Another update. Somehow the tab sequence got all screwed up. Now you should be able to tab through all the fields nicely. Again, I did not change the name of the file, nor the link, so the latest posted link should get you the corrected file. Just discard the old one, please.


Thanks,


T.

Xarlaxas
04-09-2012, 01:11 PM
Really funky! Quick question though: Is it possible to get it so that it can be printed blank, without 0 popping up in places where it does calculations?

Taliesin
04-09-2012, 01:23 PM
Really funky! Quick question though: Is it possible to get it so that it can be printed blank, without 0 popping up in places where it does calculations?


Yes. I'll try to do that tonight.


Thanks,


T.

Taliesin
04-10-2012, 12:49 PM
Xarlaxas, here's a version that's completely blank:

http://db.tt/ZtSjyiQt


Enjoy!


T.

Xarlaxas
04-10-2012, 12:51 PM
You're a star! :D

Leodegrance
04-28-2012, 09:13 PM
These are great but I too, need a black and white to use these

Rob
05-16-2012, 02:58 AM
I just downloaded the latest sheet. These are brilliant! Taliesin, what program do you use to make these?

Taliesin
05-16-2012, 03:33 AM
Why, thanks, Rob! They're in Adobe InDesign.


T.

Leodegrance
05-17-2012, 12:03 AM
any chance you will repost a link to the old black and white?

Taliesin
05-17-2012, 01:11 AM
Yes, thanks. But I've yet to make an ink-light B&W version. I was waiting for this one to settle down because it's no little task. It has died down some, but now I just need a free weekend to get it done. It will arrive here at some point. In the meantime, you can simply print this one to B&W.

Best,


T.

Rob
05-25-2012, 06:59 PM
Taliesin, just curious, could you do one of these with the additional non-knightly skills, like philosophy and chiurgury? Some characters, like Roman and Italian knights, start with some of these skills and I've always hated having to write them in in the limited space available.

Taliesin
08-01-2013, 02:16 AM
All,

I've updated my character sheet to improve several things. I've also updated the link at the top of the thread.

Download the new one here. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/untlsmod8sjcrt3/Taliesins-Pendragon-Generic-sheet-v7.pdf)

Enjoy!

T.

donm61873
12-22-2013, 01:22 AM
Any chance of this being done in fill-form mode?

Taliesin
12-22-2013, 04:43 PM
Any chance of this being done in fill-form mode?


Your timing is uncanny. Within the next day or so, we'll be posting an updated non-auto-filling PDF here. Hopefully in that same timeframe we'll be posting a fully auto-calculting and auto-filling version up on Drive-Thru RPG for just $4.99. We're trying very hard to get both of these done in time for the Christmas Feast!


T.

Taliesin
12-24-2013, 10:39 PM
Here's a link to the newest (and now official) version of the KING ARTHUR PENDRAGON character sheet. Although these sheets are for printing only, we're going to be offering fully interactive versions of these in the DriveThru RPG very soon for a song, so watch this space to learn when you can go get 'em.

But at long last we have here the updated full-color sheet AND the long-awaited printer-friendly B&W version! Rejoice! Then download 'em here. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/2rfa7sbvv336kmw/Taliesins-Character-Sheets.zip)

Merry Christmas everyone! Or as Greg would say "Heraklesmas!" Whatever drives your sleigh...


T.

Gilmere
01-10-2014, 01:47 PM
These are really really GREAT!

The only thing I'm missing is that the squire and wife are more compatible with Book of Entourage. But then again, maybe separate sheets are needed for that.

P.S. I hope it's ok I edited them for personal use (I added the players shields with photoshop, looks fantastic).

Taliesin
01-10-2014, 02:04 PM
Thanks, Gilmere! If you like these you should check out the form-fillable versions on DriveThru RPG. They'll save you a ton of time and help prevent errors. Costs about the same as a latté.


T.

Gilmere
01-11-2014, 01:19 AM
Thanks, Gilmere! If you like these you should check out the form-fillable versions on DriveThru RPG. They'll save you a ton of time and help prevent errors. Costs about the same as a latté.

T.


Yepp, planing on buying them on my next "batch", together with a printed BoB2 and BoE.

I probably wont use the edit thing though, my experience is that the characters change to often for it to be practical.