Since, when I look at the Battle Enemey Tables there are no Hit Points listed so am I to assume that if a Player Knight wins the Melee or Lance Charge wins the Opposed Resolution combat roll then the Enemy is down and out of combat (dead or wounded - "I've fallen and I can't get up" sort of thing...)
If the Player Knight Fails or Fumbles - they get wounded or worse.

Not sure about a partial success - so any help would be great.

I think this is what has been the issue I have had with Battles - if the PK wins then he would be "Disengaged" and off to seek combat elsewhere.
If the PK loses or partial success then I believe they would be still engaged...

I hope to get my brain wrapped around this soon!!! :o

Thanks!
Todd

Since, when I look at the Battle Enemey Tables there are no Hit Points listed so am I to assume that if a Player Knight wins the Melee or Lance Charge wins the Opposed Resolution combat roll then the Enemy is down and out of combat (dead or wounded - "I've fallen and I can't get up" sort of thing...)

They have a major wound rating ... but you forget one thing. In a battle PKs only roll for their weapon skill once per battle round (unless there are extended melee rounds. Thus the HP of their enemy is pretty uninteresting.


If the Player Knight Fails or Fumbles - they get wounded or worse.

If their opponent can get through their armor ...


Not sure about a partial success - so any help would be great.

They get their shield, as in ordinary combat.


I think this is what has been the issue I have had with Battles - if the PK wins then he would be "Disengaged" and off to seek combat elsewhere.
If the PK loses or partial success then I believe they would be still engaged...


No. They are only disengaged if they do a Withdraw maneuver and win or triumph. As a unit, not as individuals.

Thanks for your assitance!!!

However I don't seen the "Major Wound" on the Battle Enemy Tables - is that in the book of Battles?

As to your statement:
"No. They are only disengaged if they do a Withdraw maneuver and win or triumph. As a unit, not as individuals. "

This is a huge hang up for me - see my other post from earlier today - are you saying that a unit or lone knight is "disengaged" only when a MELEE EVENT roll is "rout" or "retreat"? I am assuming that if the enemey pulls away or retreats or routs - the unit would either engage someone else or engage in pursuit.

This is driving me nuts and it seems everyone else gets this but me :(

Thanks for your assitance!!! However I don't seen the "Major Wound" on the Battle Enemy Tables - is that in the book of Battles?

Its in the army lists in both BoB and BoA. It's the column called "MW". Not in the rule book!


As to your statement:
"No. They are only disengaged if they do a Withdraw maneuver and win or triumph. As a unit, not as individuals. "

This is a huge hang up for me - see my other post from earlier today - are you saying that a unit or lone knight is "disengaged" only when a MELEE EVENT roll is "rout" or "retreat"? I am assuming that if the enemey pulls away or retreats or routs - the unit would either engage someone else or engage in pursuit.

This is driving me nuts and it seems everyone else gets this but me :(


Oh, sorry. You are referring to the basic rules. BoB has it's drawbacks but is soooooo much better than the basic rules. They aren't very clear.

It's all in the Battle roll ("C.Unit Battle roll") on page 209 in the 5.1 ed rule book. On a critical or success from the Unit commander (or Alone knight) the unit can be disengaged for the coming battle round, as I take it.

Okay thanks again!

I am still very confused as to when a Unit becomes "Disengaged" is only if the unit commander get's a critical success?

If the Unit enters into Melee (after the Lance Charge) do you just roll on the Melee Events table and read the Event/Situation and then modify the unit commander's battle roll?

For example

After the Lance Charge in the first round of Melee (i.e 2nd round of combat) the Melee Event is "Player Battalion Surrounded" and thus a -5 to the Unit Battle Roll.
The Unit Commander then rolls against his Battle (for example 17) but modified to a 12 and then sees what happens?
I am thinking that the GM just uses discreation as to what happens rather than hard-fast mechanics but I just want to be sure.

Since in the GPC it appears that most battle results are pre-determined - this more for flavor to personalize this for the Player Knights - but I could be wrong.

I am sorry that this is driving me nuts not getting this!

Todd

I see from the other thread that you got BoB (which I don't actually have), but I am answering your question anyway.

Yes, the unit commander's battle skill is modified by the melee event, so in your example, he would roll against Battle 17-5=12.

If he rolls a critical success OR a success, he gets to decide what he wants his unit to be doing, which includes engaging or disengaging (with a host of other options).

If he rolls a failure, some enemy group is smashing into his before he gets to make the choice and they are Engaged.