....he marries her?

I'm talking about this right here:

http://gspendragon.com/sexanddishonor.html

So I rolled up a family for my PK's baby mama and four knights therein, including the patriarch, now Hate the PK for knocking the girl up. So if the PK marries her, does this calm them down some? Maybe by 2d6? Also, does she recover any honor in the marriage?

I saw that, by most sources I found on the subject, the stain of illegitimacy was erased if the parents were subsequently married, the bastard become in all ways the legal heir. So wouldn't "doing the right thing" take the sting out of the daughter's indiscretion? Assuming that she was a lesser noble, with no inheritance—and that she is, after all, marrying a vassal knight. I imagine the more important you are, the harder it is to forgive...


Thanks,


T.

That certainly holds true for Arthur himself, conceived out of wedlock but born within it, and if I recall correctly it agrees with Deuteronomic law.

I would say so. I coulod easily imagine some resentment still existing in some members of the family. So, assuming players are affected, I'd give them the choice:

1) make a show of reconciliation, remove the hate, get some glory
2) make a halfhearted show of reconciliation, either reduce the hate or replace it with a directed trait for disliking the character
3) make some foul tempered declaration of your hate at some public occasion, and keep the hate.

Characters with high forgiving or vengeful might need a roll to see which of those they do, or every character might roll: give the choice of which to roll first, forgiveness or vengful. Then as normal, if it fails, roll the opposite.
Forgiving success: use #1
Vengeful success: use #3
Neither succeeds: use #2.

So I rolled up a family for my PK's baby mama and four knights therein, including the patriarch, now Hate the PK for knocking the girl up. So if the PK marries her, does this calm them down some?

They will (officially) calm down. That knight who was formerly a much-hated rapist* is now family.
*I know that's a hideous label, and that a PK would never so such a thing, but that is the word that the angry brothers would have used sailing the mead over their boasting cups.
Family! Now they will savagely turn on anyone who even so much as hints that their sister was unchaste.
and
Always always always trust your family. Nepotism is obligatory.
banneret you say?
isn't that new but poor knight brother in law more important than some stranger? Kick that Steward out and put the young knight in!
Any of other brother as highly ranked as castellan? Hey, you turning your back on FAMILY?
and the last one wants to be a full time hunter
ok?

Maybe by 2d6? Also, does she recover any honor in the marriage?
Yes, all if it.
And she also keeps the shame--I mean fame--she got when she had been without it.

Characters with high forgiving or vengeful might need a roll to see which of those they do, or every character might roll: give the choice of which to roll first, forgiveness or vengful. Then as normal, if it fails, roll the opposite.
Forgiving success: use #1
Vengeful success: use #3
Neither succeeds: use #2.


Thanks, Darren. You're talking about the NPCs of the wife's family here, right. If so, how does one usually go about randomly determining Traits (in this case Vengeful or Forgiving) on the fly?

Thanks,


T.

Actually i was talking about players who have characters with a hate score that might be affected by this incident.

For npcs, I would just make an ad hoc decision. By default, I'd assume the hate vanishes completely. But if there is an NPC I want to continue to have the hate, for instance, a knight the players have a history with and it seems like it would be more fun to keep that hate in play, then i'd keep the hate.

I suggested the rolls above for PCs, because players might have some investment in their hate, and want to keep it.

Thanks, Darren. You're talking about the NPCs of the wife's family here, right. If so, how does one usually go about randomly determining Traits (in this case Vengeful or Forgiving) on the fly?


Per the rules (GPC IIRC) you use the double-d20 method if you want a random value for an on-the-fly trait value that you then immediately roll against.

Personally I think that double-d20 overly favours extreme values so I'd use 3d6 as the randomiser for trait values, but 3d6-then-d20 doesn't roll off the tongue quite so smoothly...

Regards
Luke

Thanks, Darren. You're talking about the NPCs of the wife's family here, right. If so, how does one usually go about randomly determining Traits (in this case Vengeful or Forgiving) on the fly?


Per the rules (GPC IIRC) you use the double-d20 method if you want a random value for an on-the-fly trait value that you then immediately roll against.

Personally I think that double-d20 overly favours extreme values so I'd use 3d6 as the randomiser for trait values, but 3d6-then-d20 doesn't roll off the tongue quite so smoothly...

Regards
Luke


Thanks, Luke. Yeah, I was aware of the "double-d20" method, but I'm not real thrilled with that one, as you say, because I'd rather have a curve when determining such things. I was thinking of 3d6 myself, but just wanted to see what other folks were doing.

Best,


T.