I thought I had the right books to find it
but I cannot

Can anyone tell me the title of Romance about the Fathers of the Arthurian knights?

It was pretty late in the era...

-g

Can you give any specifics at all? Whose fathers were featured, etc.


edit: Wow, I've forgotten what a treasure trove JSTOR is:

HISTORY REVENGED: MONTY PYTHON TRANSLATES CHRÉTIEN DE TROYES'S PERCEVAL, OR THE STORY OF THE GRAIL (AGAIN)

Dennis already navigates a variety of discourses, but he refuses to enter the waters of Arthur's. King Arthur and his knights cannot or will not hear the voice of authority when placed elsewhere than themselves. They are not multiculturally trained or multidiscursive; but Dennis is. He easily slips from the Marxist "mandate for the masses" to the straight forward "strange women lying on their backs in ponds," to the modernist "farcical aquatic ceremony." Arthur won't hear Dennis's street slang ('"cause some watery tart threw a sword at you") or his more vulgar "some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar." Dennis fully par ticipates in Bakhtin's carnival, but Arthur can not breach the threshold into the marketplace. Very formal English becomes the informal, even the discourteous, before it slips into slang words with Arabic etymologies. The reversal of roles here between the peasant Dennis and the self-acclaimed king of Eng land insist on the same underlying theme: that survival and acceptance into a community is based on the ability to "talk the talk."

I thought I had the right books to find it
but I cannot

Can anyone tell me the title of Romance about the Fathers of the Arthurian knights?

It was pretty late in the era...

-g



Could it be "Palamedes"? (If you have a copy of "The New Arthurian Encyclopedia, there's an entry for it on page 352.)

Can anyone tell me the title of Romance about the Fathers of the Arthurian knights?

Could it be "Palamedes"? (If you have a copy of "The New Arthurian Encyclopedia, there's an entry for it on page 352.)

With the first half called Meiliadus, I was hopeful
but no.
I use Arthurian Literature in the Middle Ages, ed by Loomis, as my "big book of Arthurian books"
and cannot find it there...

That makes it more difficult, then. The only other Arthurian romance I can think of which might fit that description (and even it's a poor fit) is "Perceforest", a prequel to the Arthurian cycle which has Alexander the Great land in Britain and establish an Arthurian-style code of knighthood there. And that would have to make it the remote ancestors of the Arthurian knights, not their fathers.

I thought I had the right books to find it
but I cannot

Can anyone tell me the title of Romance about the Fathers of the Arthurian knights?

It was pretty late in the era...

-g


The romance about the fathers of the arthurian knights (especially Meliadus, Pellinor, Esclabor, Leodagan, Lac...) is Guiron le Courtois, who was sometimes in two parts : Meliadus and Palamedes. This text is the pre-prose Tristan, like the Book of Artus is the pre-prose Lancelot (in the Vulgate)...

The end of Perceforest presents also some fathers of arthurian knights, but it's not "classical" or "canon" version...

The romance about the fathers of the arthurian knights (especially Meliadus, Pellinor, Esclabor, Leodagan, Lac...) is Guiron le Courtois, who was sometimes in two parts : Meliadus and Palamedes. This text is the pre-prose Tristan, like the Book of Artus is the pre-prose Lancelot (in the Vulgate)...

The end of Perceforest presents also some fathers of arthurian knights, but it's not "classical" or "canon" version...

OK, now I have found it
you are right
and Merlyn was right first

Have either of you, or anyone, actually read it?

I do not believe there are any English translations (http://lists.mun.ca/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1111A&L=ARTHURNET&D=0&I=-3&P=3322l) as of yet, but I think there are translations into modern French and Italian.

Have either of you, or anyone, actually read it?


I don't know if any english or french translations exist but there is a french study about it (with a complete summary of each paragraph !).

It's R. Lathuillière, Guiron le Courtois, étude de la tradition manuscrite et analyse critique, Droz, 1966. I have a copy of this book and read it of course.

I use it for My personnal Great Pendragon Campaign... and the events in this romance are found between 518 and 525 for your personnal chronology.

Wow,
will you contact me off line please?

Sure,

I send you a private mail