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Cornelius
03-08-2012, 07:17 AM
Came across a question: In the core rulebook Countess Ellen is said to be the daughter of the Count of Silchester.

Is this the same as the Duke of Silchester? In other words is it Duke Ulfius?
Or is this someone else? In this case any information on him?

Makofan
03-08-2012, 09:03 PM
I used Ulfius as the Count as well as the Duke

Undead Trout
03-08-2012, 09:27 PM
Ulfius is Count of Silchester and Duke of the Jutish March.

silburnl
03-11-2012, 11:38 AM
Came across a question: In the core rulebook Countess Ellen is said to be the daughter of the Count of Silchester.

Is this the same as the Duke of Silchester? In other words is it Duke Ulfius?
Or is this someone else? In this case any information on him?


The Count of Silchester and the Duke of Silchester (aka Jutish March) don't have to be the same person - they are two different offices. In the early phases of the GPC it just so happens that Ulfius holds both titles.

Ulfius isn't necessarily Countess Ellen's father however. She could be the daughter of an earlier Count of Silchester (and if it ever came up as a plot point IMG then she would be).

Regards
Luke

Greg Stafford
03-11-2012, 05:12 PM
Came across a question: In the core rulebook Countess Ellen is said to be the daughter of the Count of Silchester.

Is this the same as the Duke of Silchester? In other words is it Duke Ulfius?
Or is this someone else? In this case any information on him?

Can you give me the page number for this?

Cornelius
03-12-2012, 09:24 AM
Chapter 3, page 55 (5th edition):
'The Countess Ellen is the daughter of the Count of Silchester.'

Greg Stafford
03-13-2012, 03:15 AM
Chapter 3, page 55 (5th edition):
'The Countess Ellen is the daughter of the Count of Silchester.'

Wow, even I forgot that.
thanks

Morningkiller
03-15-2012, 11:53 PM
Came across a question: In the core rulebook Countess Ellen is said to be the daughter of the Count of Silchester.

Is this the same as the Duke of Silchester? In other words is it Duke Ulfius?
Or is this someone else? In this case any information on him?


The Count of Silchester and the Duke of Silchester (aka Jutish March) don't have to be the same person - they are two different offices. In the early phases of the GPC it just so happens that Ulfius holds both titles.

Ulfius isn't necessarily Countess Ellen's father however. She could be the daughter of an earlier Count of Silchester (and if it ever came up as a plot point IMG then she would be).

Regards
Luke


I went with older sister as well. Ulfius is listed as having battle 10 at the Battle of Lindsey so I made him fairly young and inexperienced. He is also not a very nice guy but with the Countess as his elder sister he is being nicer than usual to Salisbury. If she were his daughter then Silchester might be too helpful to Salisbury at times. I think some further distance helps here.

It also explains why he is not sniffing around Sarum looking to marry Ellen and hoover up Salisbury.

silburnl
03-16-2012, 10:52 AM
I went with older sister as well. Ulfius is listed as having battle 10 at the Battle of Lindsey so I made him fairly young and inexperienced. He is also not a very nice guy but with the Countess as his elder sister he is being nicer than usual to Salisbury. If she were his daughter then Silchester might be too helpful to Salisbury at times. I think some further distance helps here.

It also explains why he is not sniffing around Sarum looking to marry Ellen and hoover up Salisbury.


Older sister works, although I'd probably go for something a bit more distant myself to help keep the Silchester-Salisbury relationship usefully frosty. Inheritance isn't necessarily direct primogeniture in the early years so they could be cousins or similar (mind you there's no reason why Ulfius couldn't be estranged from his sister or otherwise distant - it happens often enough IRL).

Like you I visualise Ulfius as quite young at the start of the campaign (a generation or so behind the big beasts of Uther's reign who made their names against Vortigern in '66) - I also ran him as a bit of a conniving git who spotted the opportunity presented by Uther's distrust of the great magnates and rode it all the way to a dukedom in the closing years of Uther's rule.

This sets him up to be the manipulative elder statesman by the time Arthur comes along, constantly intriguing to edge others away from the young King so he can better control him himself. I'm going to diverge a bit from the GPC for the big reveal of Arthur's parentage at St Albans in 512 - rather than the strong implication in the text of it all being a publicly staged 'revelation' with all the principals in on the act, that will be Ulfius making a move to assert control and getting snookered by the coordinated countermove put together by Merlin, Ygraine and Ector.

Regards
Luke