Hi everyone!

I'm not sure this is the correct sub-forum for this kind of questions, but here goes:

- I just started a new fresh campaign and after using some of the new random tables in BoK&L, the player knights ended up beeing household knights to a Viscount in Devon, Cornwall.
I really like the idea of starting the GPC form a fresh prespective and I even got some ideas of the player knights having to choose sides later on when Uther "kidnap" lady Igraine.

So I tried to find more information about this area to plan the start a little bit different this time and later on move the players to Logres to get them into line with the GPC, but alas I couldn't find much information.

- At Gregs Pendragon page I could find some maps at least to see the terrain and the bigger places, like Exeter and Tintagel Castle.
- Some information about the different rulers and some maps over the political situations during the GPC timeline.

- But what I'm really looking for is some more insight into the rest of this area namely: Maps showing a bit more than just the biggest places, more information about the nobility; -Earls, Banneret knights and ofc Viscounts.

I tried searching for other players campaigns in Cornwall, but couldn't find much more than player knights visiting the place on occasion.

Ofcourse I could just make things up as a GM, but since Pendragon is both a fantasy and in some ways a historical game, I'd really like to learn more about this area.


Anyone have any good recources for this area?

Devon is an interesting place to set the GPC. From what I can see it serves Uther, then possibly Gorlois for a bit then probably Idres and Mark before eventually coming late to Arthur's Realm.

Could make for a very political intrigue-y game.

The timeline on Greg's site seems a bit incomplete but as a border province it may have been split a few times.

http://www.gspendragon.com/leaders.html#Devon

Earl Erbin seems to be the ruler in GPC times and the listing I have in Knight's Adventurous cites Prince Geriant, Son of Erbin and vassal of King Mark as the ruler. It lists his Army as 75 knights and 100 soldiers so it is a solid county strength. Whether Geriant married well or was allowed to use an older title by Mark I'm not sure.


KA also mentions that Exeter was badly damaged in a saxon raid - plundered some years ago (KA is set about 531) but that Marks reign sees the city renewed - a thriving port with rebuilt roman walls.

The Cornish tend to be fiercely independent and hard to subdue. They are also renowned miners and Devon produces plenty of tin and copper.

Devon is an interesting place to set the GPC. From what I can see it serves Uther, then possibly Gorlois for a bit then probably Idres and Mark before eventually coming late to Arthur's Realm.

Could make for a very political intrigue-y game.

The timeline on Greg's site seems a bit incomplete but as a border province it may have been split a few times.

http://www.gspendragon.com/leaders.html#Devon

Earl Erbin seems to be the ruler in GPC times and the listing I have in Knight's Adventurous cites Prince Geriant, Son of Erbin and vassal of King Mark as the ruler. It lists his Army as 75 knights and 100 soldiers so it is a solid county strength. Whether Geriant married well or was allowed to use an older title by Mark I'm not sure.


KA also mentions that Exeter was badly damaged in a saxon raid - plundered some years ago (KA is set about 531) but that Marks reign sees the city renewed - a thriving port with rebuilt roman walls.

The Cornish tend to be fiercely independent and hard to subdue. They are also renowned miners and Devon produces plenty of tin and copper.


Aye! That's the conclusion I presume is right according to Greg's site, that the land serves under Uther and then is split several times over the years of the GPC.
I can forsee much intrigue and politcs going on in this area during that time and look forward to incorperate it with the happenings in the GPC to make the story a bit different in the Player Character's eyes.

What's also interesting about this area is that some sources say that this is the place where Arthur reigned and back then it was called Dumnonia in Latin. Though I prefer to follow the "Pendragon way" . ;)

Didn't know that Knight's Adventourous had information on This area, maby I should take a look at it!
Thank you for the info Morningkiller.

One thing to bear in mind for the purposes of Pendragon canon is that at the start of the campaign there is both a Duke and a King of Cornwall.

The King is Idres (later Mark) - he holds peninsular Cornwall as part of his Cornwall/Brittany dual kingdom and is looking to nibble bits out of the SW portions of Logres and vassalise the King of Somerset. Longer term he would like to make a play for the High Kingship of Britain via the Supreme Collegium.

The Duke is Gorlois - he is a vassal of Uther and his responsibility as Duke is to organise the Cornish march of Logres and keep Idres bottled up west of the Tamar.

Reading between the lines I think Uther does a deal with Idres during the Cornish War and breaks up the overmighty Cornish dukedom in the aftermath. This liberates Idres to spread out into the Cornish march during the anarchy and create a Greater Cornwall incorporating Devon, Jagent, Dorset and parts of Somerset.

This Greater Cornwall then gets dismantled by Arthur early in his reign (with the help from an alliance with King Anguish) much to King Mark's chagrin.

Regards
Luke

@silburnl: Aye, that's how i interpreted the situation in Cornwall too. That King Idres is the ruler of Brittany and the southwest parts of Cornwall and that Duke Gorlois was a vassal too Uther.

I did buy me the Knights Adventureous book to check things out (Thank you for the tip Morningkiller), not only for Cornwall, but there was some great information in there for other parts of Brittain too.
One thing I noticed in KA is that everyone from Devon has a passion of : Hate: Saxons due too the recent attacks there. But in the BoK&L there ain't no such Passion in this area.

Not sure if this is something Greg Stafford changed for this later supplement or if it was just forgotten. I'm thinking of adding it to the player characters since it fits the story well when I decide to move them towards Logres/Salisbury.

One thing I noticed in KA is that everyone from Devon has a passion of : Hate: Saxons due too the recent attacks there. But in the BoK&L there ain't no such Passion in this area.

KA is oriented towards the old default starting year of 531 - so 'recent' attacks would be stuff that happened several decades after the current default starting year of 486.

Regards
Luke

One thing I noticed in KA is that everyone from Devon has a passion of : Hate: Saxons due too the recent attacks there. But in the BoK&L there ain't no such Passion in this area.

KA is oriented towards the old default starting year of 531 - so 'recent' attacks would be stuff that happened several decades after the current default starting year of 486.

Regards
Luke


True that! ;)