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Vasious
01-12-2013, 11:22 PM
The Goal of being a Landed Knight and holding Manors and the Goal of being an Officer of the Court, are they in a way Muturally exclusive?

That is to say that if you are the Officer in an Earls court, that would take you time up so any land you would have have to be maintained by ones own officers. And since your own landed nobles owe you counsel anyway wouldnt it make more sense to have officers being Household Knights maintained to the level of their station.

I mean granted your landed Nobles my have the title of the office and then delegate to duputys to to the actual work, but those deputys would be household knights correct?

Cornelius
01-13-2013, 04:52 PM
Being a landed knight does not mean you cannot be an officer. Example is sir Elad, he is both castellan and marshal.
Also remember that the knight is not the executive of the manor, but usually this is the wife. She handles the day to day business.

Becoming an officer to a lord is mostly just a honorary title. It is given to the person and not hereditary. A son can hold the same office, but that is then on his own accord. Also remember that being a Chamberlain to a king, you do not dress the king, although the office may imply this. In essence the title gives the knight a bigger voice and the king is probably more eager to follow his advise then that of just a vassal. (there are by the way incidents where a knight demanded to dress the king himself as this was his job, just to proof he really was the chamberlain).

Household knight by the way are loyal to their lord and the station they have is dependent on their lord. So their loyalty is less clouded. A strong vassal may think he can ignore you as long as he is strong enough.

Greg Stafford
01-14-2013, 06:26 PM
I am going to hae to disagree with Cornelius on these points



The Goal of being a Landed Knight and holding Manors and the Goal of being an Officer of the Court, are they in a way Muturally exclusive?

No
Being an officer often has the benefit of additional manors gifted along with the office
A wife or steward deals with the lands
the knight is much, much more important to advise his lord


That is to say that if you are the Officer in an Earls court, that would take you time up so any land you would have have to be maintained by ones own officers. And since your own landed nobles owe you counsel anyway wouldnt it make more sense to have officers being Household Knights maintained to the level of their station.

Yes
The Plantagenet English kings had a habit of making their household knights--their familiari--officers in their household
but not all the time, just often


I mean granted your landed Nobles my have the title of the office and then delegate to duputys to to the actual work, but those deputys would be household knights correct?

No
If a nobleman appoints someone as an officer, it would be unthinkable for that officer to substitute a deputy
He'd assign a deputy to take care of his lands