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Hambone
02-12-2013, 07:17 PM
So , I have a situation. Not necessarily JUST Pendragon either , but historically , I want to know...... If a Female was all that was left to Inherit her House , and she was to be married , When she got married to the Nobleman would her House cease to exsist? what i mean is , would her house name change to her husbands name , and ever after would any children they have just be part of the husbands house completely forgetting the mothers original house as it fades freom history?
Also what if the 2nd or 3rd son of a noble house married the woman above? would the 2nd son just become a Vassal of his older brothers Holding HER house in Their name? or wold he create a whole new house? Or would HER family name still be kept ? IDK the answers to these :)

Greg Stafford
02-12-2013, 09:15 PM
So , I have a situation. Not necessarily JUST Pendragon either , but historically , I want to know...... If a Female was all that was left to Inherit her House , and she was to be married , When she got married to the Nobleman would her House cease to exsist?

Yes


what i mean is , would her house name change to her husbands name , and ever after would any children they have just be part of the husbands house completely forgetting the mothers original house as it fades freom history?

The female's house name is lost


Also what if the 2nd or 3rd son of a noble house married the woman above? would the 2nd son just become a Vassal of his older brothers Holding HER house in Their name? or wold he create a whole new house? Or would HER family name still be kept ? IDK the answers to these.

Any of the above could occur
Plus this: the 2nd son could change his name to her, and take up her father's coat of arms

Hambone
02-12-2013, 10:12 PM
WOW!!! I didnt realize that the 2nd son could take up HER house!! thats awesome! :) thanx Greg!!!!!! :)

Gentleman Ranker
02-15-2013, 09:39 PM
Hi Palomydes,

Check out heraldry. IIRC in most editions of Pendragon, Greg does point out that sometimes a knight, particularly a poorer one, or a younger son who maries an heiress will often quarter his arms with that of the heiress. It flatters the heiress's family by acknowledging their importance. It subtly reassures the locals that there is continuity of tenure and tradition.
Also, if we're talking about titled nobles here, it's important to note that a nobleman is most often referred to and called by his title. "Warwick the Kingmaker" is the Earl of Warwick, "Time honoured Lancaster" was the Duke of Lancaster. But there were "Warwick"s and "Lancaster"s before and after them.
The heiress, Jane Smith's father may have been John Smith, Lord Greystoke and her husband may be John Clayton, Lord Greystoke; but they're both called "Greystoke" by the people of their generation.

HTH

GR