BotM pg. 39

"Finally, the sponsors of British churches get an annual gift from the grateful church."

I note that the entry for "Church, Small" on this page includes an "Annual Income: L1d6" at the end of its entry. Is this the aforementioned gift form British churches, and thus does not apply to Roman churches?

Would Roman Churchs have to pay their Tithes up their own Heirarchy and thus not to the sponsor

BotM pg. 39

"Finally, the sponsors of British churches get an annual gift from the grateful church."

I note that the entry for "Church, Small" on this page includes an "Annual Income: L1d6" at the end of its entry. Is this the aforementioned gift form British churches, and thus does not apply to Roman churches?

... My BotM lacks that passage on p 39. Are you certain you have the right page?

I have the 1st edition BotM, and I lack that entry as well.

On the other hand, it is said in that section that while the British Christian churches remain under the patronage of the sponsor (and hence, some measure of control who will be the abbot/priest and so forth), they do cost money. Whereas the Roman Christian churches will be fully donated to the Church, which will then take care of the annual upkeep as well, but is independent of the sponsor.

I have the 1st edition BotM, and I lack that entry as well.

On the other hand, it is said in that section that while the British Christian churches remain under the patronage of the sponsor (and hence, some measure of control who will be the abbot/priest and so forth), they do cost money. Whereas the Roman Christian churches will be fully donated to the Church, which will then take care of the annual upkeep as well, but is independent of the sponsor.

If the 2nd ed of BotM gives income from churches (abbeys and/or nunneries) in excess of their costs, that's quite a major change from the role they have in 1st ed. Even if the expenses for upkeep remained at par with 1st ed. they would still be vastly more attractive for PK's with spare cash.

Would Roman Churchs have to pay their Tithes up their own Heirarchy and thus not to the sponsor


Vasious, historically neither nobles or clergy paid tithes. Tithes were for the common people. Abbeys and priories, on the other hand, usually were cells of a mother house and that mother house normally treated them as "colonies to be exploited for its own good.

BotM pg. 39
"Finally, the sponsors of British churches get an annual gift from the grateful church."
I note that the entry for "Church, Small" on this page includes an "Annual Income: L1d6" at the end of its entry. Is this the aforementioned gift form British churches, and thus does not apply to Roman churches?

That is correct
Roman church organizations are part of a hierarchy in which their income goes to their religious superior, who in turn passes it on to a higher superior, ending with the Pope.
British church organizations belong to the lord who granted them land for the foundation. BoESTATES has a little bit more about this.

That is correct
Roman church organizations are part of a hierarchy in which their income goes to their religious superior, who in turn passes it on to a higher superior, ending with the Pope.
British church organizations belong to the lord who granted them land for the foundation. BoESTATES has a little bit more about this.

Is this is a change from 1st edition Book of the Manor to 2nd edition? Or is it dealt with solely in Book of Estates?

That is correct
Roman church organizations are part of a hierarchy in which their income goes to their religious superior, who in turn passes it on to a higher superior, ending with the Pope.
British church organizations belong to the lord who granted them land for the foundation. BoESTATES has a little bit more about this.

Is this is a change from 1st edition Book of the Manor to 2nd edition? Or is it dealt with solely in Book of Estates?

Whatever edition says that secular lords collect income form Roman Church institutions is worng.

As mentioned in my original post, the issue is a lack of clarity about whether or not all small churches provide the listed income. Technically I suppose I would have to say yes, because "Church, Small" does indeed grant L1d6 annual income and there is no text saying that only applies to British Christian churches.

If that was the intent, it might be helpful to make it more explicit in future printings. Perhaps making two separate entries for the Roman and British versions would be more helpful.