A bunch of more possible errata, concerning Fortifications:

On page 79:
it reads that
"...the Fortification works that surround an area are assumed to enclose the two acres of a hall (with or without a motte), it's stable, and outbuildings, with enough room inside for the commoners and their livestock". In the table, it shows that a Manor House is only 0.5 acres. Is the Manor House just the lord's living house without anything else?



Page 81:

MOTTE, FORTIFIED: the cost is given as 5 libra. Shouldn't this be 10 libra? (Ditch 3 libra + Palisade 5 libra + Postern gate 0 libra + Gateworks 2 libra)

Also, the Ditch is presented as having a DV of 2, but in the previous page it is DV=3. Are you separating the value of a Ditch from that of a Rampart (presumably DV=1)? This isn't discriminated anywhere.


MOTTE AND BAILEY CASTLE: the cost given is 10 libra. But for what exactly? It says that "it has the two-acre bailey". I presume that it doesn't assume you've already built the Bailey previously? The cost should be Bailey 10 libra + Fortified Motte 5 libra + Large Wooden Hall 24 libra, Fortified Wooden Hall 13 libra = 52 libra, not 10.

-Also, why do we have both a Large Wooden Hall and a Fortified Wooden Hall at the same time?

-Also, why is the Fortified Wooden Hall a DV=2 when we are told that, unless specified, it is the same as a Simple Wooden Hall of DV=1 (page 79)?

-Aaaand also, DV should be 5/10/2(1?), not 5/11/2(1?)?


On another section of the book, on page 55, on Step 2, we can read:


Note that the values of these caputs vary. The difference will be made up in Outliers, in Step 5.

I presume this refers to the fact that the estates presented don't all have a fixed income of 50 libra. However, there is no Step 5.



That's it for possible Estate errata from my part, I think. Hope that's useful.

A bunch of more possible errata, concerning Fortifications:

On page 79:
it reads that
"...the Fortification works that surround an area are assumed to enclose the two acres of a hall (with or without a motte), it's stable, and outbuildings, with enough room inside for the commoners and their livestock". In the table, it shows that a Manor House is only 0.5 acres. Is the Manor House just the lord's living house without anything else?
The 0.5 acres is only in case the hall stands alone


Page 81:


MOTTE, FORTIFIED: the cost is given as 5 libra. Shouldn't this be 10 libra? (Ditch 3 libra + Palisade 5 libra + Postern gate 0 libra + Gateworks 2 libra)
5 is for the motte alone, I believe

Also, the Ditch is presented as having a DV of 2, but in the previous page it is DV=3. Are you separating the value of a Ditch from that of a Rampart (presumably DV=1)? This isn't discriminated anywhere.
I believe this to be so


MOTTE AND BAILEY CASTLE: the cost given is 10 libra. But for what exactly? It says that "it has the two-acre bailey". I presume that it doesn't assume you've already built the Bailey previously? The cost should be Bailey 10 libra + Fortified Motte 5 libra + Large Wooden Hall 24 libra, Fortified Wooden Hall 13 libra = 52 libra, not 10.

10 is wrong. should be L39, and DV 11/6/2


-Also, why do we have both a Large Wooden Hall and a Fortified Wooden Hall at the same time?
I don't see where that occurs


-Also, why is the Fortified Wooden Hall a DV=2 when we are told that, unless specified, it is the same as a Simple Wooden Hall of DV=1 (page 79)?

I do not see that either
can you quote paragraph # for me?


On another section of the book, on page 55, on Step 2, we can read:

Note that the values of these caputs vary. The difference will be made up in Outliers, in Step 5.
I presume this refers to the fact that the estates presented don't all have a fixed income of 50 libra.
As it says elsewhere, the value of the outliers is also variable and contributes to the fact that the caputs themselves have different starting values

However, there is no Step 5.
It looks to me like the "step x" headers drop out after Step 2.
The Step 1 on page 55 is not a consecutive list, but a list of design choices

-Also, why do we have both a Large Wooden Hall and a Fortified Wooden Hall at the same time?
I don't see where that occurs


-Also, why is the Fortified Wooden Hall a DV=2 when we are told that, unless specified, it is the same as a Simple Wooden Hall of DV=1 (page 79)?

I do not see that either
can you quote paragraph # for me?



Thanks for the answers, Greg. Unfortunately I borrowed my copy to Morien (another poster here at the forums) and so I don't have the book here with me to check the paragraphs for you. I'll see what I can do.

-Also, why do we have both a Large Wooden Hall and a Fortified Wooden Hall at the same time?
I don't see where that occurs


-Also, why is the Fortified Wooden Hall a DV=2 when we are told that, unless specified, it is the same as a Simple Wooden Hall of DV=1 (page 79)?

I do not see that either
can you quote paragraph # for me?



Thanks for the answers, Greg. Unfortunately I borrowed my copy to Morien (another poster here at the forums) and so I don't have the book here with me to check the paragraphs for you. I'll see what I can do.


Luckily, you loaned it to a guy who tends to post when his name is invoked. :P

p. 77, under Manorial Buildings, Fortified Hall: "Unless stated otherwise, the Fortified Hall is a Simple Wooden Hall." In Table 5.3 we learn that this means DV 1. (Also a bit confusingly, the text speaks about an estate normally having a large hall. But this is not the same as a Large Wooden Hall. Another adjective would have been better to avoid confusion there, even though the Simple Wooden Hall is explicitly stated afterwards.)

p. 81, under Motte and Bailey Castle, we have Fortified Wooden Hall with DV 2. I take this to mean that it is simply a Large Wooden Hall, which in Table 5.3 has DV = 2. This could have been more explicitly stated, as 'Fortified Hall' is the blanket term. I assume that Gorgon's questions had to do with this confusion.

p 58, under The Great Hall, we have the following slightly contradictory statement:
"Wooden halls are obligatory. 'Hall' actually includes all the buildings necessary for a lord (his retinue might sleep outside). Ordinary Great Halls are so common that they are not usually specified in the descriptions as such, but inferred. They have Defense Value (DV) of 1.
"Fortified Halls are specified, and have a DV 2."
This should be changed to 'Simple Wooden Hall' and 'Large Wooden Hall', to be in agreement with Table 5.3, instead of 'Ordinary Great Hall' and 'Fortified Great Hall'. Those terms are confusing, as in p. 77 we learn that all halls are fortified and Great Wooden Hall is actually DV 3...

Thanks for the info, Morien. ;)