View Full Version : Question of Morgan le Fay's Heraldry
Gilmere
01-23-2014, 07:59 PM
Would Queen Morgan carry the arms of her husband or the arms of her father?
I've found conflicting info on the interwebs, and wonder what your interpretation is.
Skarpskytten
01-23-2014, 08:30 PM
Gilmere, its complicated. There are several options, depending on whether you think her family outranks Urens or the other way around. Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_heraldry.
The gist of it:
1) "In English heraldry, a woman may bear arms by inheritance from her father or by grant to herself. When unmarried, she displays her arms on a lozenge (a diamond shape) or on an oval or oval-like shape."
2) "When married, a woman has the option of uniting her arms with those of her husband in what are called marital arms; their arms are impaled, meaning they are placed side by side in the same shield, with those of the man on the dexter (left, as seen from the front) and those of his wife on the sinister (right, as seen from the front)."
3a) "A married woman may also bear either her own arms or her husband's arms alone on a shield with a small differencing mark to distinguish her from her father or husband."
3b) "If the woman is an heraldic heiress, her arms are shown on an inescutcheon of pretence, which is a small shield in the centre of her husband's arms." And she is an heraldic heiress, to Duke Gorlois, as i understand it.
Gilmere
01-24-2014, 09:37 AM
I obviously misintepreted the lozenge-shielf, as I thought it applied to married women too. (Now I have to change those shields, but that's a smaller issue)
So, if I get your description, she would wear King Uriens shield (Azure a Lion Rampant Or, Armed and Langued Gules) but with Gorloi's shield (Sable A Chevron Gules Three Lions Heads Gules Eyes Or Two Over One) in the middle? It makes sense.
Some further googling has shown that most articles on the internet notes that Morgan carries the shield of her father only, and you said she may carry her own arms alone. It does sound like something she would do.
Skarpskytten
01-24-2014, 10:09 AM
It does sound like something she would do.
Just in memory of her noble and misintepreted father, the victim of the evil King Uther. Not to spite her brother, oh no"
Gilmere
01-24-2014, 10:18 AM
It does sound like something she would do.
Just in memory of her noble and misintepreted father, the victim of the evil King Uther. Not to spite her brother, oh no"
She could use the lozenge just to spite Uriens too. :P
Skarpskytten
01-24-2014, 12:03 PM
She could use the lozenge just to spite Uriens too. :P
She doesn't have to!
Sir Tyngyr: "Morgaine, what have you done with your husband?" ;D
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