I've been thinking about adding some cards to our Pendragon game, and I'm looking for feedback.

Main idea:
* Goods
The main idea is here. I've been having problem with my players not really getting a grip that £ is not a golden coin in your pocket but large amounts of goods and things. My idea here is simply to create cards with "Expensive cloths from france: value £1, 1 cartload" and a simple symbol. The player then have cards or a sheet that represents horses or cards and they can place the cards there, or similar. Do you want to bring your treasure to court to show of? Sure... get more horses or an ox-cart. And beware of robbers.

* Children, wives, entourage and armies
An "extra" that I've been playing around in my head with. Also to get a feeling of families other than a simple number on a sheet. You have a little card for "son" or "daughter", with a little text to remind you of the survival roll each winter. When the child ages, you switch cards. And when they become knighted or married, you hand them over to the GM.

Other ideas:
* Status cards
Maybe this is overdoing it, but cards to represent Chirugery, wounds, illness, madness or melancholy could serve as an obvious reminder for the player to act out accordingly.
* Battle cards
* Feast cards
* Tournament cards


I'm nor sure about how people feel about cards in a game like Pendragon, I myself like the idea, others might not. I'm just looking for some feedback before I move further.

I like cards.
Used the feast cards for a while.
In other game I used equipment cards to clearly indicate what you carry with you.
In pendragon I could use the same (Which armors do you have with you. Which horses? What horse are you on, which armour do you wear. How many Lances? Squires (hand to GM when they go off themselves). That avoids discussions about "in a unknown castle I always ride my charger instead of my course, of course, really!"
Would be nice.

fg,
Thijs

Goods: Sounds like an interesting idea. I probably would use it mainly as a way to distribute the loot gained after a combat or battle.
'Extras': Not sure if I would use this. In my game the players know who they have near them and and our family rolls are more complex than used in the rules. I use my own rules here.
Status cards: Not sure if it is needed. You already must track all wounds separately so must players will use some form of way to write things down.
Battle: May be handy during a battle. I have been thinking about this. Especially with all the maneuvers in the BoBII.
Feast: I have a set of cards I use with my own system. It involves a status of a character (determined by appearance, glory and rank) and his ability to increase it during a feast. So players are trying to increase their status. I have added the cards and the system I use with it. In reading it I have noticed that I do not use the size effects, but usually have between 5 and 7 event rounds. Usually 1 or 2 players manage to increase their status so that it gives glory. The cards were inspired by the ones made by Sir Pramalot (see also this thread about feast events: http://nocturnal-media.com/forum/index.php?topic=895.0
Tournament: Not sure what you want the cards should depict. Is it knights that challenge you or you can challenge? or is it more like feastcards with events happening?

I have managed to create a template in magic set editor for now, it's looking pretty awesome. And I'll be able to share the template with the community, so you can do your own if you want to.

What I've done so far:
1. Npc-cards - A simple card with an image and an optional heraldic shield. (about 80% done with the template, 75% done with the most important npcs in my own campaign)
2. Equipment-cards - Cards representing the basic equipment a character has with him. (about 75% with the template, 25% done with the equipment.
3. Goods-cards - Cards with value (i.e. treasure). (about 75% with the template, 50% done with the goods)
4. Entourage-cards - Cards for followers. (about 10% done with template, 0 with actual npcs) -I'm not sure about this one
5. Feast-cards - Cards from Cornelius set. (I'll do the template version of this if I get permission from Cornelius, so they'll match the other sets)

I have "stolen" a bit of graphic from the official character sheet (the scroll and the shield-form), I did this to give the card the same feeling as the official sheet. But I'm not sure I'm allowed to do that, so I won't post any of these until I get permission. :)

Also, the images in the equipment/npcs is picked pretty much from all over the internet, so I'm not sure about those. But I might post cards without images.

As long as you dont make money of them, you can share them (even with internet or character sheet graphics copied).
Please let's not go again into a copyright scare, preventing a useful resource from being used by all.
fg,
Thijs

As long as you dont make money of them, you can share them (even with internet or character sheet graphics copied).
Please let's not go again into a copyright scare, preventing a useful resource from being used by all.
fg,
Thijs

I just want to be polite, and give credit where credit is due. :)

Of course, no money-grabbing inteded. For all intents and purposes I would give them to Greg to earn money from them, I do them for my own game, and if Greg or the community likes them, why not share?

I'll share a teaser or two tonight, if nothing else to get some feedback.

A little preview of the cards.

(edit: fixing the attachment for better size)

Oh.. like them!

Nitpicking:
Name NPC perhaps better on top (easier searchable by hand because when you stack them and place them upright in containter you will see top row much much easier) with blazon on bottom right
Txt in banner could go 1 or 2 points higher to better center it...

Again I really like them..

fg,
Thijs

Oh.. like them!

Nitpicking:
Name NPC perhaps better on top (easier searchable by hand because when you stack them and place them upright in containter you will see top row much much easier) with blazon on bottom right
Txt in banner could go 1 or 2 points higher to better center it...

Again I really like them..

fg,
Thijs


I'm still finishing up, this is great feedback.

I tried the scroll on top before, I thought the shield looked strange on the bottom... hmm, I'll try it the other way. Shouldn't be to hard to switch back.

I'll push the text up a bit too!

Here it is, with the scroll ontop.

(the masking is bad, but it was as quick mockup how it would look. )

Better? :)

Love it.. and now one for all those great Pendragon portraits Talisien put up :)

Love it.. and now one for all those great Pendragon portraits Talisien put up :)


I've been using a lot of his images, and to be honest they gave me the inspiration to do these cards, and I am going to post my characters when I'm done. :)

But even better is that I'm using a template that anyone can use, (I'll post it when it's done), so you can choose your own names, shields and pictures in about 15-20 sec per card. These are just the ones I choose for my setting.

But even better is that I'm using a template that anyone can use, (I'll post it when it's done), so you can choose your own names, shields and pictures in about 15-20 sec per card. These are just the ones I choose for my setting.


That would be fantastic! Cards are such a helpful aid to both a busy GM and players when used this way. If official NPC cards, feast cards or enemy army unit cards were ever produced officially I'd buy them in an instant

[u]5. Feast-cards - Cards from Cornelius set. [i](I'll do the template version of this if I get permission from Cornelius, so

No problem if you use mine. But if you are doling out credit it should also go to sir Pramalot for the idea and all those people on this forum for adding ideas to the list.

As for the pictures you put here. They look great. And I agree with Merlin. If this goes official I will be one to buy them.

[u]5. Feast-cards - Cards from Cornelius set. [i](I'll do the template version of this if I get permission from Cornelius, so

No problem if you use mine. But if you are doling out credit it should also go to sir Pramalot for the idea and all those people on this forum for adding ideas to the list.

As for the pictures you put here. They look great. And I agree with Merlin. If this goes official I will be one to buy them.


Great! I'll set up a template for them, so events can be added and removed from them with ease. I'll post an example as soon as I am ready.

Do you have the feast cards in an an easy table or something?

I'm playtesting the npc-cards tomorrow, during the big family event. I'm looking forward to it. :)

I'll post my review of my own work later. :)

(Still working on the feast-cards, it's looking good so far.)

Great! I'll set up a template for them, so events can be added and removed from them with ease. I'll post an example as soon as I am ready.

Do you have the feast cards in an an easy table or something?

Unfortunately not. I just add them to the word document if I have new ideas.

Great! I'll set up a template for them, so events can be added and removed from them with ease. I'll post an example as soon as I am ready.

Do you have the feast cards in an an easy table or something?

Unfortunately not. I just add them to the word document if I have new ideas.


Heh, ok. It'll be some time to copy-paste all of them. But it's looking good so far!
I'm thinking of adding some images to.

You guys did a really good job with these!

Feast card, v 0.1

One with image, another without.

The black border is an experiment, the text is hard to read when it's red. So I'm using the border instead to mark color.

They look great. I like the one with the picture a lot, but this will probably be a problem with some of the cards as they have a lot of text on them.

They look great. I like the one with the picture a lot, but this will probably be a problem with some of the cards as they have a lot of text on them.


I'll probably have two versions, so you can choose a picture if you want, but have a full text-version for the cards lots of text.

As a player in Gilmeres group, I have to say that the cards worked very well.
Last Saturdays scenario held a big family feast, many branches of the family showed up and there where a lot of people to keep track of.

With Gilmere placing the cards out on the table as each guest arrived, we had a physical representation of all the important guests, we knew who were there and could easier fathom the size of our family.
It was also easier in the social interactions, in big gatherings before it has been easy to forget one or two people present, or presume that someone is present that was not. Now we could see everyone, with picture and shield, and say things like "I want to go talk to that guy, my cousin/uncle/whatever".

During the family court, we could also better visualize who stood on what side in the issue at hand, and Gilmere had prepared a small minigame for us in which we used our glory, power of persuasion and previous political maneuvering during the feast to get our way. The cards made it clear what way people moved in the issue as the court progressed. It was great fun, and I can really see how the cards will be useful in the future!

/Empiricus

As a player in Gilmeres group, I have to say that the cards worked very well.
Last Saturdays scenario held a big family feast, many branches of the family showed up and there where a lot of people to keep track of.

With Gilmere placing the cards out on the table as each guest arrived, we had a physical representation of all the important guests, we knew who were there and could easier fathom the size of our family.
It was also easier in the social interactions, in big gatherings before it has been easy to forget one or two people present, or presume that someone is present that was not. Now we could see everyone, with picture and shield, and say things like "I want to go talk to that guy, my cousin/uncle/whatever".

During the family court, we could also better visualize who stood on what side in the issue at hand, and Gilmere had prepared a small minigame for us in which we used our glory, power of persuasion and previous political maneuvering during the feast to get our way. The cards made it clear what way people moved in the issue as the court progressed. It was great fun, and I can really see how the cards will be useful in the future!

/Empiricus


Thanks for the feedback, and yeah. It worked well i must say! I am considering a picture with some words describing the npc as an alternative, but I'm not sure. All-in-all i must say the cards were a success, and will be used again for other things.

Next project is the feast cards and perhaps battlecards from pramalot and others on these forums, these will both be relatively easy to create from the templates I made. And once done, it will be easy to add new cards or sets before a session.

Please share those NPC-cards :)

Please share those NPC-cards :)


I will set something up this week if you want my pictures. :) It's about 80 cards for now, some are my own npcs, some are gregs and some are stolen from Skarpskyttens old campaign. All pictures are my own choices.

You'll have to wait a while for the template though to make your own, I can't release it until I cleaned it up a bit.

By the way.

Pramalot, do you have the screenshots from Medieval Total War 2 somewhere? Those you used for the battle-cards?

Love the cards - big believer in cards myself.

Can you explain what "status" is ?
Been out of the Pendragon loop for a while...

Chris

Avalon Lad,

Status is something I introduced myself. It is derived from the way you dress, your APP, your glory and your rank. the objective during a feast is to increase your status.

Earlier in this thread I included some rules (as an attachment). It also explains how to calculate Status.

Hey Gilmere, did you ever finish those Feast Cards? I'd love to get a copy of the finished thing. Hopefully before Tuesday, when my players go into their first feast. :/

EDIT: I decided to go ahead and borrow Gilmere's idea and do my own. Here's the first four pages / 36 cards. I took out references to Status since I'm not using those rules, and rewrote a couple of others for clarity.

Wow James, those are amazing! Any chance you can share the whole set? Those are like 20x more impressive than the ones I made up!

Once I get them done I'll be sure to share them all. I was frustrated with being unable to locate a link for formatted feast cards that actually worked, so I want to make sure everyone has access to them.

Here's the first 17 pages (out of 25), including duplicates, which comes out to just over 150 cards. Each is 2.5" x 3.5" in size, which is the size of a regular playing or CCG card.

I've removed references to Status, but have included APP roll modifiers, as I'm using David Larkins' excellent feast rules as found here (http://a-matter-of-britain.obsidianportal.com/wikis/feast-events).

Red borders are mandatory (you can't weasel out of them with a Courtesy roll) and blue borders are global -- all knights must use the event and ignore their other cards.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a8t97xpofgj1l94/Feast%20Cards.pdf

Awesome! Any advice on the best way to print these? I was thinking of just getting card stock and cutting them out, but would like to make them more proper if possible.

I printed my test copies in 110lb cardstock just to see how it would go. They work well enough. The other option (which might be slightly more expensive but easier, labor-wise) is to print them on plain paper, buy a pack of card protectors (as you might use for CCGs and such), and a couple of packs of playing cards to put behind the cut-out Feast Cards in the card protectors. You could do all that for about $20 and would save a lot of hand strain cutting through 110lb card with a craft knife or scissors (like I did).

Sorry for the late answers, I've been away from gaming for a while for personal reasons.

No, I never got to finish the feast cards, but I can see that another alternative has been created. (Greate work!)

I still think I'll make my own versions, but they will probably end up looking pretty much the same.

I've completed a first version of the npc cards, I can post these tonight if you want.

I'd love to see those NPC cards. I expect they'd be very useful! What are you using to put them together?

Also would love to see the NPC cards. Just need to find some card protectors!

Hey James,

I printed out the cards and put them in the card protectors like you recommended. Worked like a charm, and only ran me about $10.00 for the protectors (I already had a really nice paper cutter a and my FLGS was giving away old and out of date Magic cards to firm up the paper). Thank you for putting these together. You did an awesome job!

I've completed a first version of the npc cards, I can post these tonight if you want.


Gilmere, did you ever get a chance to create/post those NPC cards?

Hey again guys. Real life has been hunting me for quite a few months now. Luckily I have [Avoidance 20].

But my group has been bugging me to get back to Pendragon, so I've been looking to bring out the cards again.

Right now my internet is down at home, but I'll try to remember to update you in a few days!

Gilmere your NPC cards are looking amazing. (as well as the Feast cards by James Knevitt, by the way. We used to use Pramalot's tables, but I'm going to try those cards next session!)

Even if your set of NPC cards aren't complete, would you be willing to share your template? I just re-started my game that's been on hold for 2 years and the Boy King era has so many NPCs friends and foes, it is hard for players to keep track of who they care about for good or ill, so I'm definitely going to use those cards.

Thanks for all your amazing work,
Varrus

I'm still working on getting up to date with all my work with the cards.

NPC-cards needs to be updated, and I need a better way to set up size for printing and so on. I'll get it up here as soon as I feel it's ready, including the "make your own cards" thing. :)

But here is a small resource that is more or less complete, not npc-cards. But cards of common "statuseffects" that I plan on play-testing next session.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_ns6vLtITPDdDRtQVVKLXFLekE/view?usp=sharing

Hi,

It's been a while since this thread updated. I got tired of waiting and decided to do something about it. So I spent 3 quiet days at work making these 138 event cards based on the feast event table from scribd.com. It's an excel file with one page for backround image and one for the cards themself. I just finished it today and I have it printed and cut. Looks pretty.

Here's the dropbox link to the file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33899815/Pendragon%20Feast%20Cards.xlsx

Here's a preview image of the product. Uncut still, but you get the idea. https://db.tt/XH5nao26
EDIT4: And here's a picture of the finished product. http://imgur.com/fpSUlqA

EDIT: Wow. Apparently I can't read. I missed Cornelius's feast cards completely. That's what you get when you come to something in a roundabout way...
EDIT2: Ok. So, I'll go through Cornelius's cards and add all that I'm missing here. More the merrier. Might have to add more flirts and such to keep a balance... I'll update.
EDIT3: I've updated the file twice, with tweaks and fixes. The backrounds are now better aligned for for red and purple borders to pop out. Also started adding more cards from Cornelius's cards, but only added my favourites so far (as many as I had 120g paper left to print). I'll keep at it.
EDIT5: Finalized the new formatting with some help from a print shop. Card base is much better handling the text, more space for margins, added lenght so they match (more or less) MTG cards and fiddled with the backround image and borders. Now I just have to type in again all the cards into the NewSet and off to the printers. Just to clarify: Changes were made to the NewSet. I'll be moving all previous cards to the new format and then removing the old set from the file all together, but they are fine to use as is. This is just a cosmetic change to satisfy my OCD.

The NPC cards, entourage cards, equipment cards and cards in general that have been discussed here sound amazingly useful, has anyone created them or stored the already created ones?