Helmward
02-19-2014, 08:52 AM
The intimidation thread inspired me to think about torture in Pendragon, and its ramifications on a PK's personality and reputation. How should torture be treated? Is it an acceptable method to interrogate and/or punish enemies and criminals?
Possible solutions:
- While harsh, torture was certainly a part of reality in the Middle Ages. It may warrant a Cruel check, and possibly other negative trait checks, but no reduction to Honor.
- Torture is wrong, simply put. This seems to be the point in BotM, where simply owning a torture chamber gives the lord an annual penalty to Honor. Negative trait checks would also be applicable while engaging in iron maidening, racking and other amusing activities as well.
- Depends on the victim's social class and background. Torturing nobles is evil, wrong and utterly unknightly. Torturing commoners, brigands and (enemy) Saxons? Oh well...
- Depends on the era. In Uther's time and Anarchy, only negative trait checks, if even those. During Arthur's reign, Honor penalties as well.
- Depends on the situation. A proven murderer may certainly be chopped slowly to pieces for his crimes, and the assassin mentioned in the intimidation thread (who is clearly guilty) may be squeezed for information without negative checks. If the culprit's guilt is in doubt, negative checks and Honor penalties are applicable.
- "The gentleman's way". Hire a torturer and build a little amusement park for his particular activities. Never visit the place, never attend his professional sessions, simply ask for the results of interrogation afterwards. "Why, what the filthy commoner does in his gaol is no business of mine. I do not watch after my cooks and cleaners either, do I?" A hypocrisy check perhaps :P?
- A combination of some or all of the above.
Possible solutions:
- While harsh, torture was certainly a part of reality in the Middle Ages. It may warrant a Cruel check, and possibly other negative trait checks, but no reduction to Honor.
- Torture is wrong, simply put. This seems to be the point in BotM, where simply owning a torture chamber gives the lord an annual penalty to Honor. Negative trait checks would also be applicable while engaging in iron maidening, racking and other amusing activities as well.
- Depends on the victim's social class and background. Torturing nobles is evil, wrong and utterly unknightly. Torturing commoners, brigands and (enemy) Saxons? Oh well...
- Depends on the era. In Uther's time and Anarchy, only negative trait checks, if even those. During Arthur's reign, Honor penalties as well.
- Depends on the situation. A proven murderer may certainly be chopped slowly to pieces for his crimes, and the assassin mentioned in the intimidation thread (who is clearly guilty) may be squeezed for information without negative checks. If the culprit's guilt is in doubt, negative checks and Honor penalties are applicable.
- "The gentleman's way". Hire a torturer and build a little amusement park for his particular activities. Never visit the place, never attend his professional sessions, simply ask for the results of interrogation afterwards. "Why, what the filthy commoner does in his gaol is no business of mine. I do not watch after my cooks and cleaners either, do I?" A hypocrisy check perhaps :P?
- A combination of some or all of the above.