Hi everyone. I recently purchased the BoK&L during RPGNow's GM Week and used it for the first to create a new PK with one of my player today.
We came upon a couple of issues. Maybe you guys can clarify things for us.

We were creating a brand new Knight for the start of the Conquest period (519), as he will be used in the adventure of The Maiden's Oath (in The Dragons of Britain #2). We went for the random approach. For his Homeland, he rolled that he would be coming from Cornwall/Brittany with Jagent as his home. As we went along the process we noticed the following thing.

1. In p. 43 for the Conquest period. A Poor Knight in cuirbouilli with a nasal helm is as much protected as an Ordinary Knight in chain mail with an open helm.
2. On p. 47, PKs from Jagent (Logres) have a directed trait of Suspicious of Cornwall, but in the homeland tables Jagent is mentionned as being part of Cornwall/Brittany and Logres for the same time periods (529+).
3. Similarly on p. 49, Jagent (Logres) as a Passion during the Uther/Anarchy periods of Hate Cornwall but you cannot come from Jagent in Logres during those periods just when you come from Brittany/Cornwall.

Also, for his liege lord he rolled that he was the Ruler in the Feudal 1 table. Any of you can point me at a resource where I could find who was the king of Cornwall/Jagent during the Conquest period. Finding who is where and rules what is one of my biggest challenge in rendering a consistent and believable Arthurian Britain to my players when playing Pendragon.

Thanks in advance.

We were creating a brand new Knight for the start of the Conquest period (519), as he will be used in the adventure of The Maiden's Oath (in The Dragons of Britain #2). We went for the random approach. For his Homeland, he rolled that he would be coming from Cornwall/Brittany with Jagent as his home. As we went along the process we noticed the following thing.
1. In p. 43 for the Conquest period. A Poor Knight in cuirbouilli with a nasal helm is as much protected as an Ordinary Knight in chain mail with an open helm.

That is just how the crude numbers work out, in having points for helm separate from the body armor
Adjust it to your liking
Probably by giving the guy the hauberk and open helm
a nasal helm is way easier (cheaper) to get than a hauberk


2. On p. 47, PKs from Jagent (Logres) have a directed trait of Suspicious of Cornwall, but in the homeland tables Jagent is mentionned as being part of Cornwall/Brittany and Logres for the same time periods (529+).

Yea, this has been a persistent bugaboo
See, there is a Cornwall area, a Cornwall Kingdom, and also (earlier) a Duke of Cornwall; all of which include different regions
Jagent is part of the K of Cornwall and the K of Logres at different times
I suggest making it part of Logres at this point, or else he will have many, many difficulties in play since K of Cornwall is pretty much an enemy at this time


3. Similarly on p. 49, Jagent (Logres) as a Passion during the Uther/Anarchy periods of Hate Cornwall but you cannot come from Jagent in Logres during those periods just when you come from Brittany/Cornwall.

that sounds like an error
resolution: he comes from Jagent in Logres, and hates Cornwall because they had been occupying his land


Also, for his liege lord he rolled that he was the Ruler in the Feudal 1 table. Any of you can point me at a resource where I could find who was the king of Cornwall/Jagent during the Conquest period. Finding who is where and rules what is one of my biggest challenge in rendering a consistent and believable Arthurian Britain to my players when playing Pendragon.

I suggest he be from Logres because King Arthur would be his king
It is King Mark who rules Cornwall

We were creating a brand new Knight for the start of the Conquest period (519), as he will be used in the adventure of The Maiden's Oath (in The Dragons of Britain #2). We went for the random approach. For his Homeland, he rolled that he would be coming from Cornwall/Brittany with Jagent as his home. As we went along the process we noticed the following thing.
1. In p. 43 for the Conquest period. A Poor Knight in cuirbouilli with a nasal helm is as much protected as an Ordinary Knight in chain mail with an open helm.

That is just how the crude numbers work out, in having points for helm separate from the body armor
Adjust it to your liking
Probably by giving the guy the hauberk and open helm
a nasal helm is way easier (cheaper) to get than a hauberk


2. On p. 47, PKs from Jagent (Logres) have a directed trait of Suspicious of Cornwall, but in the homeland tables Jagent is mentionned as being part of Cornwall/Brittany and Logres for the same time periods (529+).

Yea, this has been a persistent bugaboo
See, there is a Cornwall area, a Cornwall Kingdom, and also (earlier) a Duke of Cornwall; all of which include different regions
Jagent is part of the K of Cornwall and the K of Logres at different times
I suggest making it part of Logres at this point, or else he will have many, many difficulties in play since K of Cornwall is pretty much an enemy at this time


3. Similarly on p. 49, Jagent (Logres) as a Passion during the Uther/Anarchy periods of Hate Cornwall but you cannot come from Jagent in Logres during those periods just when you come from Brittany/Cornwall.

that sounds like an error
resolution: he comes from Jagent in Logres, and hates Cornwall because they had been occupying his land


Also, for his liege lord he rolled that he was the Ruler in the Feudal 1 table. Any of you can point me at a resource where I could find who was the king of Cornwall/Jagent during the Conquest period. Finding who is where and rules what is one of my biggest challenge in rendering a consistent and believable Arthurian Britain to my players when playing Pendragon.

I suggest he be from Logres because King Arthur would be his king
It is King Mark who rules Cornwall


About 1. again, if cuirboulli + nasal helm is as good than chain mail + open helm (as said on p. 43), why wouldn't an ordinary knight equip himself with chain mail and nasal helm for 12 points of armour?

Another thing about finding out liege lords. We've rolled another character, a roman from Dorset whose liege is the sub ruler. Dorset being part of Logres I assume that the ruler is Arthur but the sub ruler would be an equivalent to Robert for Salisbury. I've search a couple of place and couldn't find a name for this sub-ruler. Anywhere I can find liege names per period per homelands? Or should I make something up for these lesser known counties?

About 1. again, if cuirboulli + nasal helm is as good than chain mail + open helm (as said on p. 43), why wouldn't an ordinary knight equip himself with chain mail and nasal helm for 12 points of armour?

Again, the numbers here are a glitch
The original KAP didn't have a separate number for the helm armor--just stats for a complete suit of this and that
The nasal helm number was a clumsy way to suss it out
so here is the totally official errate now:
Armor value for cuirboulli+nasal helm =11 points

Another thing about finding out liege lords. We've rolled another character, a roman from Dorset whose liege is the sub ruler. Dorset being part of Logres I assume that the ruler is Arthur but the sub ruler would be an equivalent to Robert for Salisbury. I've search a couple of place and couldn't find a name for this sub-ruler. Anywhere I can find liege names per period per homelands? Or should I make something up for these lesser known counties?

I have not made such a list
The upcoming Book of Warlords goes into some detail about why not
the short version: because the books need to concentrate on a few things to show the details
It is not worth the investment of my time to give all details possible
Giving every possible detail will make as many people unhappy as those who are happy receiving every detail
The circumstances of game play make such things as secondary leader names so flexible and likely to change that it is not worth my limited creative time to name them and then give ways to work around the names on the forum
I have deliberately selected to use one county and give details on it
Gamemasters are free to determine the other names of secondary leaders and determine details by extrapolating from the example of Salisbury, my chose sample
If a gamemaster lacks the time to make up such information, Salisbury is there for them

Thanks Greg for your clarifications.

I did not mean to suggest that you should have provided such a list. I was just wondering if there was one. Mainly because I've read play reports and PbP online and the fine GM there seems to have such ease at creating new rulers/regents/knights that I was wondering if there was a reference on that subject. Now that I know that I won't be breaking some canon info, I'll go ahead and create my own NPCs.

Thanks again.

Thank you Doon
but tell you what
Here is a list of the Warlords, the Barons of the Sword, that is going to appear in Book of the Warlords
The Warlords
These warlords are all members of the king’s council. They all know him and he knows them. Whenever Uther is in their county or otherwise nearby, these men must attend his court. Furthermore, they may be summoned at any time for their advice. In war, these men lead their iron squadrons of knights on the bloody field of battle.
Key to Listing:
This list includes all the Barons of the Sword, whether they are great, rich, ordinary or weak. Special status is noted in each entry. Their ordinary titles are used.
Highest Title and Chief Manor, aka “caput major” (county); name (if any); other titles of other honours and/or estates (county); comments. The lists include only the castles and larger estates.
The fact that no warlords currently reside in Huntland is only an artifact of chance. Castles there are held by other barons. Warlords have resided there in the past, and will again in the future.
⌂ indicates a fortified manor hall,
† indicates a castle,
‡ indicates a fortified town
The simple title is given here

1. Baron Behind the Waters † (Lonazep); he keeps watch from an island between the Fens and the German Sea
2. Baron of Battle Axe Pillar † (Tintagel)
3. Baron of Beautiful View † (Lambor); a frontier castle on the border with Cameliard.
4. Baron of Castle on the Water † (Lonazep); also called Castle Brown (Brun) after the family of gamemaster character heroes that lives here.
5. Baron of Cattleherds ⌂ (Wuerensis)
6. Baron of Chattering Glade ⌂ (Thamesmouth)
7. Baron of Dangerous Ford † (Tribruit), Castle of Saffron † (Hartland)
8. Baron of Castle Dykes † (Tribruit)
9. Baron of Goat Town ⌂ (Tribruit)
10. Baron of Great Bear ‡ (Wuerensis); potential player knight holding in this book
11. Baron of Warcastle † (Wuerensis); Sir Trahern; Castle of Vigor † (Caercolun); Estate of the Extraordinary Cattle; Lord of Buckland Estate; a Rich Baron
12. Baron of Guinnon ⌂ (Caercolun)
13. Baron of Hartspool ⌂ (Caercolun)
14. Baron of Horse Mane Fort † (Lambor)
15. Baron of Island that was Raised † (Wight); Lord of Yarmouth Fort
16. Baron of Longridge ⌂ (Clarence)
17. Baron of Meadowstream ‡ (Dorsette)
18. Baron of Noviomagus (Hampshire);Sir Bassianus; presides over the old Roman city of Noviomagus, secure in its stone fastness against the Saxons who are his neighbors; Rich baron
19. Baron of Oxen Ford † (Rydychan); the wife of the lord was erroneously called, in Great Pendragon Campaign, page 96, “Countess of Rydychan.” She is a baroness.
20. Baron of Pinnacle † (Jagent); potential player knight holding in this book
21. Baron of Roaring Stream ⌂ (Ascalon), potential player knight holding in this book
22. Baron of Roman Isle ⌂ (Hantonne)
23. Baron of Rooksroost † (Tribruit)
24. Baron of Sentinel Ridge † (Tribruit), potential player knight holding in this book
25. Baron of Southtown ⌂ (Caercolun)
26. Baron of Sparrowhawk Castle † (Gentian)
27. Baron of Stonetown Castle † (Lambor)
28. Baron of Thornbush Castle†(Silchester)
29. Baron of Weir Meadow ‡ (Dorsette)
30. Baron of Wereside ⌂ (Salisbury)
31. Baron of Woodgrove † (Linden)
32. Baron on the Lonely Path ‡ (Wuerensis)
33. Baroness of Hidden Valley ⌂ (Clarence)
34. Baroness of The Ferry †
35. Baroness Pomponia of Clareia ⌂ (Caerwent); the Sand Dunes⌂ (Silchester); Custos of the Duke of the Saxon Shore
36. Count Bedegraine; Sir Sanam, Baron of Field of Doves (Bedegraine), Castle on Brightstream † (Jagent); he is a northern lord, newly defeated, now loyal to his conqueror Uther
37. Count Salisbury; Sir Roderick; Baron of Castle of the Rock † (Salisbury), Borders † (Salisbury), Vagon † (Salisbury), duPlain † (Salisbury), Roe Deer Ford † (Thamesmouth), King’s Town † (Hartland), Cock Field (Caercolun), Wildspring (Caerwent); a powerful lord of an ancient and widespread realm, and the default lord of player characters in King Arthur Pendragon; see his write up in this book
38. Duke Clarence; Sir Clarence; Baron Birch Wood † (Clarence), Woodpecker Estate (Tintagel), Clearing of Bees (Ascalon); lord of the southern estates of old Duke Eldol, rival to Glevum
39. Duke Cornwall; Sir Gorlois; Baron Clean Stream ⌂ (Devon), the Bright Skull (Silchester), Sheriff of Tintagel †, Lord of Castle Terrabil †
40. Duke Glevum; Sir Heli; Baron Goodrich † (Glevum), Stoneheight Castle † (Tribruit); lord of the northern estates of old Duke Eldol, rival to Clarence
41. Count of Linden Pool and Duke of Lindsey; Sir Corneus; Linden Pool † (Linden), Magouns † (Hampshire), Saint Peter’s † (Tribruit), Birch Farm (Rydychan), Sheriff of Linden †; an ambitious warlord with additional valuable holdings in the foreign land of Malahaut
42. Duke of Marche; Sir Edaris; Baron of Lear’s Castle † (Lambor), Bow and Arrow Castle † (Dorsette), Humberside (Linden), Stone Wall (Tribruit); Bran’s Town (Lambor), Ash Tree Spring (Hartland)
43. Duke of the Saxon Shore; Sir Lucius; Castellan Fort Bran † (Caerwent), Seafort † (Caerwent), Old Fort † (Caerwent), Fort Brutus † (Caercolun), Broad Stream Fort † (Caerwent), Harborkeep † (Hampshire)
44. Duke of Vale; Sir Ulfius; Baron Buck † (Caerwent), Monument Hill † (Caercolun), Stoneskeep † (Berroc), Bridge on Cam † (Clarence), Oak Town † (Tintagel), Upper Ford (Caercolun), Levcomagus ⌂ (Silchester), Flax Spring, Allys’ Wood
45. King of Summerland; King Cadwy; Lord of Rapid Stream †, Castle on the Heights †, Wells ‡, Baths ‡, and Forest of Glamour; he is an ancient lord with mysterious powers ruling a mysterious land; he is not a knight.

And here are the Barons of the Robe
Barons of the Robe
“Barons of the Robe” are men of the church who hold large tracts of land and are responsible for supplying knights and soldiers to the king’s army. These men cannot bear arms or lead troops and so marshals perform that duty for them. In addition to the barons of the robe many other abbots exist, especially in the British Church. Some of them have a significant number of armed men, but they are not vassals of the king, hence not barons.
These men of the church hold land by barony. All of them also hold various parcels land in Free Alms.
1. Abbot of Ambrius’ Abbey (Salisbury)
2. Abbot of Bladud’s Mound (Summerland), including its castle †
3. Abbot of River Ford (Silchester), including a castle †
4. Abbot of West Abbey (Thamesmouth)
5. Abbot-bishop of St. Albans (Hartland), also Castle on the Heather
6. Bishop of Camulodunum (Caercolun), Oatfield Estate; also New Works Castle † (Linden), Palace in the Oatfield (Thamesmouth)
7. Bishop of Corinium (Clarence)
8. Bishop of Durnovaria (Dorsette)
9. Bishop of Linden Pool (Lindsey)
10. Bishop of Londinium (Thamesmouth), also Castle on the Birch Hill
11. Bishop of Silchester (Silchester), also holds Middlestone Castle
12. Bishop of Venta (Caerwent), also West Valley Castle † (Salisbury)

Thanks Greg for the very exhaustive list. Can't wait to see the Book of the Warlords when it comes out.

Regarding my Dorset question, I've finally found an answer. I decided to post it here in case others would be looking for something similar.
According to Knight Adventurous, Dorset is ruled by Praetor Jonathel. A quite conservative Roman who prefers to call his knights equites and his infantry the British Legion.

So, in my research, Knight Adventurous is the best supplement I've found to date to give the beginning KAP GM an idea of the lay of the land and of its rulers.