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isaachee
05-15-2009, 05:57 PM
Okay so in following the Leicester dialogue and oaths of vassalage, a question comes to mind regarding our GPC Campaign.

Sir Orwaine, the weeping, started off with an Oath of Vassalage to Earl Robert of Salisbury. After the Battle of Badons, he was gifted a manor in Angles so swore an oath to Duke Herves. Now he has become Earl of Rydychan, so my question is:
Does he retain previous oaths now that he is raised to his previous lord's station?

Given Nobles often have lands accross the country, does they have to enffeof his manors away from his home county? Or do they just send a Vassal Knight in turn for their yearly service?

Greg Stafford
05-15-2009, 07:10 PM
Okay so in following the Leicester dialogue and oaths of vassalage, a question comes to mind regarding our GPC Campaign.

Sir Orwaine, the weeping, started off with an Oath of Vassalage to Earl Robert of Salisbury. After the Battle of Badons, he was gifted a manor in Angles so swore an oath to Duke Herves. Now he has become Earl of Rydychan, so my question is:
Does he retain previous oaths now that he is raised to his previous lord's station?


Yes, he does.
For those properties that are held in fief of those other lords.
But they have no command over him as the Earl of Rydychan.



Given Nobles often have lands across the country, does they have to enffeof his manors away from his home county? Or do they just send a Vassal Knight in turn for their yearly service?


If they hold a fief in fee of a knight, then they have to send someone to fulfill that duty. It could be anyone who qualifies, though--even a mercenary.

--Greg

Morien
05-16-2009, 01:06 AM
However, isn't it possible for the Liege to demand the vassal to appear in person?

'The Earl of Salisbury hereby bids his faithful knight, Sir Orwaine, to appear to Sarum on the second Sunday from Lent so that he may benefit from Sir Orwaine's experience and wisdom in the matters of state.'
'Nah, don't feel like it. I am sending Sir Mercenary instead.'

I reckon the Earl would be a touch offended. :P

Other potential cases that the King of France used against the King of England... Court cases brought against the King of England in his capacity as the Duke of Aquitaine and hence the vassal of the King of France. Oaths of homage to King of France for the Duchy of Aquitaine.

So while the Earl couldn't exert any control over Earl Orwaine, he certainly could harass the man. However, one manor vs. a whole County? I'd see Sir Orwaine giving that manor to his younger brother or something like that and wash his hands of Salisbury, were this to happen. But I think I already wrote a reply to the Rydychan thread itself with all sorts of nasty ideas. :)

Greg Stafford
05-16-2009, 01:43 AM
However, isn't it possible for the Liege to demand the vassal to appear in person?


Yes, especially in the capacity as courtier.



Other potential cases that the King of France used against the King of England... Court cases brought against the King of England in his capacity as the Duke of Aquitaine and hence the vassal of the King of France. Oaths of homage to King of France for the Duchy of Aquitaine.



Sure, and then take out a legal suit to reclaim the fief because the vassal didn't do his duty.

--Greg