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Lothaire
11-13-2014, 09:27 PM
I'm looking for the procedure to release a vassal from his oath of homage. I und erstand, hat there is a possibility to do this, if a Lord and his vassal both agree to it. I thought, I've read about a ceremony for this. But I dont remember exactly.

Can anyone help?

Taliesin
11-13-2014, 10:06 PM
See p. 18 of the Book of the Estate.

ESTATE has a couple of pages on Fealty and Homage.


Best,


T.

Lothaire
11-14-2014, 10:26 AM
There is only mentioned, that releasing a vassal is a normal procedure. But nothing about how its done.

Swearing the oath ist vassal-to-be kneeling and raising clasped Hands to the new lord. The Lord encloses the Hands with his own and words are spoken. But the release procedure...?

Dan
12-01-2014, 05:34 PM
I take it there is no land involved then?

Lothaire
12-04-2014, 09:01 AM
No, not in my current case.
Does it change the procedure, whether land is involved or not?

Cornelius
12-04-2014, 09:29 AM
Remember that the BotEstate speaks of release in favor of a higher ranking lord as normal. I guess that in this case the ritual to pay homage to the higher ranking noble releases him from the homage to the lower lord. Making this an oath of Fealty instead.

In all other cases it will be probably be legal procedures and I guess these are rare. Judicial courts that will speak out and such. I guess it is a bit the same as marriage and divorce in our days. Marriages are usually celebrated and done in big ceremonies. While a divorce is just a settlement in court.

In the anarchy phase it will probably be by force of arms since there is no King and no King's justice.

Greg Stafford
12-04-2014, 10:00 AM
Remember that the BotEstate speaks of release in favor of a higher ranking lord as normal.

And by "normal" I mean that when a landholder obtains land from a higher-ranking lord, the landholder normally changes his homage to the higher ranking one.


I guess that in this case the ritual to pay homage to the higher ranking noble releases him from the homage to the lower lord. Making this an oath of Fealty instead.

That is correct, but the landholder must first obtain a release from his original lord.
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I have been trying to find more about this, and about the only thing I have found about the actual ceremony seems to indicate that something was spoken three times.
I would improvise that the lord repeats the phrase, "I release you from your homage to me," three times.

Lothaire
12-05-2014, 12:44 PM
That is correct, but the landholder must first obtain a release from his original lord.Exactly this consideration led me to my question. ;)


I have been trying to find more about this, and about the only thing I have found about the actual ceremony seems to indicate that something was spoken three times.Thanks. I would complement a parting of the clasped Hands as a reversal of the swearing.
Repeating three times suites well to some very old blessings. I've read about it, that these where repeated in similar manner.