First, I recently purchased Estate and Warlord and love them both. Really great work here.

Second, as I'm reading, I'm not finding a lot regarding a correlation between either population or area with income. This seemed more tied together in Lordly Domains. I had a better feel in that book for the size or population of the estate. Perhaps I have further to read, but any help on this would be appreciated.

(I'm ultimately hoping to see how these books could be used in areas other than Logres, specifically the North. I appreciated the ideas of looking up historical counties, but it seems that they are only for Logres counties. What if I wanted to work out the estate for Dumfriesshire?)

Second, as I'm reading, I'm not finding a lot regarding a correlation between either population or area with income. This seemed more tied together in Lordly Domains. I had a better feel in that book for the size or population of the estate. Perhaps I have further to read, but any help on this would be appreciated.


I am going to go on a limb here, but I am betting Greg says that it varies between estates and the particular estate's income sources. :)

My impression from glancing over the example estates and the general 'feel', I don't think there is anything to contradict the old rule-of-thumb of £10 = 500 peasants (100 households). That seems to work pretty well for the £50 estates or so having around 10 villages = 2500 peasants = 5x500.

Besides, there is no Pendragon Inquisition to descend upon you. :)



(I'm ultimately hoping to see how these books could be used in areas other than Logres, specifically the North. I appreciated the ideas of looking up historical counties, but it seems that they are only for Logres counties. What if I wanted to work out the estate for Dumfriesshire?)


Just go ahead and do it. It is your Campaign and you can do as you will. Trust me, none of your players will be getting the pitchforks ready if your Dumfriesshire estate happens to be, say, £50 instead of the more 'accurate' £Y (whatever Y might be). And if you happen to have such a rabid medievalist in your playgroup, make it his/her job to do the research! :)

Ah yes, one of my issues with BoE since I wanted the detail also. I did do a spreadsheet that gave a range of households for each category (Hamlet, Village etc). But there is a large amount of range between them which can be explained by different methods of taxation/obligation. I'll try and post them tomorrow as I'm working late tonight.

First, I recently purchased Estate and Warlord and love them both. Really great work here.

Thank you
You will be getting a notice soon for some corrections that will bring them both exactly into line with each other


Second, as I'm reading, I'm not finding a lot regarding a correlation between either population or area with income. This seemed more tied together in Lordly Domains. I had a better feel in that book for the size or population of the estate. Perhaps I have further to read, but any help on this would be appreciated.

An exact correlation doesn't really exist. There are so many variables: quality of land, amount of water, customs, arbitrary tax amounts.


(I'm ultimately hoping to see how these books could be used in areas other than Logres, specifically the North. I appreciated the ideas of looking up historical counties, but it seems that they are only for Logres counties. What if I wanted to work out the estate for Dumfriesshire?)

Yes, this is only for Logres.
Try to imagine how long it would have taken to all of Britain. I live by my imagine and cannot fathom how long that would have taken.
However, when comparing values the first thing to remember is that Logres is, as the book says, champion land--the best that can be gotten. So Dumfries is more or less the size of Rydychan, and Rydychan total value of land is about £3000.

However, Dumfries geography is quite different.
from the website: https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Dumfriesshire,_Scotland
I extract this quote: The surface of the county near the sea-coast is level, rising towards the middle portion into ridges of hills of moderate elevation, intersected with fertile vales, and becoming mountainous in the north.
the map here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumfries_and_Galloway#mediaviewer/File:Dumfries_and_Galloway_topo.png
correlated with a map of the county (plenty of these) shows that about 2/3 of the county is mountainous. Mountains provide very, very little income. 2/3 of Rydychan is about £2000, but the same land with mountains provides, oh, £200 (being generous)
So the other third provides about £1000
The county provides about £1200 total
IF it up to the standards of agricultural and tax collection as Logres. Which it is not. But let's be generous and say it does.
so there is is: £1200

I hope that this example will provide the model for figuring other places too, until we get the official tables done.