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Lord Quigley
06-29-2015, 03:50 PM
I've been doing a slight bit of research into the topic of Falconry. It's rarely used in my games, and I'd like to encourage my players to step up it's use some. According to the main book, Knights should use Goshawks with their falconry skill. Upon researching falconry further, it seems that the use of hawks in such a manner is called Austringer.

Given that the game is supposed to center around knights, would it be appropriate to change the name of the skill?

Morien
06-29-2015, 04:29 PM
For most people, Austringer means nothing at all. Falconry is a much more familiar term. Also, I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about the differences of bird species.

However, if you are GMing for a bunch of ornithologists, then it is your game, do what you want! :)

Lord Quigley
06-29-2015, 04:34 PM
If we were going with more familiar terms and not the correct ones, I doubt we'd use chirurgery.

Taliesin
06-29-2015, 05:07 PM
If we were going with more familiar terms and not the correct ones, I doubt we'd use chirurgery.


Touché, but chirurgery is a bit of an outlier, and one can argue whether it's the best term that could be used, since almost no one can spell or pronounce it! I've never seen the word used outside of KAP, a Google search returns only KAP-related search results as well. So even if it a technically correct term amongst hardcore academicians an argument can be made that better labels are available.


Best,


T.

SirUkpyr
06-29-2015, 06:38 PM
If we were going with more familiar terms and not the correct ones, I doubt we'd use chirurgery.

Touché, but chirurgery is a bit of an outlier, and one can argue whether it's the best term that could be used, since almost no one can spell or pronounce it! I've never seen the word used outside of KAP, a Google search returns only KAP-related search results as well.
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T.
Actually, here in the SCA, the "chirurgeon" is the term we use for our first care provider's office. If you look at the word itself, it is not that far a leap from "surgery" to "chir-urgery".

womble
06-30-2015, 07:42 AM
Calling it Austringer would make it wrong once someone qualified for a higher status bird, or for Ladies or the Clergy. Falconry is a more generic term and lets the skill cover things like the etiquette of the hunt with birds, identifying raptors and all the other occasional uses of the skill.

Cornelius
06-30-2015, 06:41 PM
If you seek more detailed rules on falconry, you could read up in Lordly Domains. In that case you first roll Falconry and then the bird you use rolls for its skill. The skill is determined by the prey they are hunting.
Personally I use a simplified use of this. During an hour hunting I give them a choice of prey (usually 2 or 3 choices). The prey gives a penalty or bonus on falconry. Depending on the prey they catch they get glory (between 1 and 10. Critical on the Falconry roll give double glory). The hunt usually takes between 6 or 8 hours.

Also as the women are present during the hunt this is also a big social event. So you could add some courtesy or intrigue problems in there.

Taliesin
07-01-2015, 11:49 AM
Actually, here in the SCA, the "chirurgeon" is the term we use for our first care provider's office. If you look at the word itself, it is not that far a leap from "surgery" to "chir-urgery".


Fair enough. That makes TWO places I've seen it used. Does the SCA use "falconry", "hawking" or "austringer"?


Best,


T.

Eothar
07-01-2015, 04:38 PM
If we were going with more familiar terms and not the correct ones, I doubt we'd use chirurgery.


Touché, but chirurgery is a bit of an outlier,


Unless you're Italian, in which case its basically the same word: chirugia...which is by a chirugo :)

NT

SirUkpyr
07-02-2015, 05:04 PM
Actually, here in the SCA, the "chirurgeon" is the term we use for our first care provider's office. If you look at the word itself, it is not that far a leap from "surgery" to "chir-urgery".
Fair enough. That makes TWO places I've seen it used. Does the SCA use "falconry", "hawking" or "austringer"?
Best,
T.
Falconry and hawking. Never heard of "austringer".
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Eothar
07-02-2015, 05:13 PM
could call it...

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Taliesin
07-05-2015, 01:24 AM
Falconry and hawking. Never heard of "austringer".


I rest my case.


T.