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Sable Wyvern
07-07-2015, 01:10 PM
Just whipped up a Salisbury map with overlays showing control of the Hundreds.
Red is of course Count Salisbury.
The purple is presumed to be Royal Hundreds (although I suspect Boarwood belongs to some Baron or other, it's not mentioned in BoW).
* Hillfarm: Duke Glevum
* Wereside: Baron Wereside.
* Chalk Hill: The Bishop of Venta.
* Swans: Baron Thornbush.
* Studfold: Count Caercolun.
* Mere: Duke of the Marche.
http://oi58.tinypic.com/eqz28o.jpg
Attila
07-08-2015, 05:44 PM
Nice work, Sable Wyvern, and very close to what I'm using for my own group. One general comment that I have is that, as I understand it, the royal forests were not necessarily exclusive of the hundreds held in estates. Effectively, at least in the early medieval period, a royal forest could encroach on a lord's hundred. As p. 40 of the Book of the Warlord states, "The hundreds and their man-made wealth belong to their respective tenants. The Forests and their natural wealth belong to the king, however save the Forest of the Trench [my note - map p. 105, at the south end of the Forest of Gloom in County Jagent], which is held by Salisbury." So I haven't necessarily included or excluded the Forests from the boundaries of any of my hundreds.
A few comments on more specific:
a. Woodhouse Castle - I interpreted the arm of land along the King's Road (roughly bisected by the uppermost portion of the River Wylye) to be part of Vagon Hundred, and not a separate royal holding. This roughly aligns with the historical boundaries of Heytesbury Hundred in Wiltshire, which stretches along the old Roman Road on the Great Ridge leading westward to Axbridge and the Mendip Hills.
b. Forest of the Badger - Like several of the other forests, not a separate holding onto itself. The western portion is Chiefsfield Hundred, and the eastern portion (south of Castle DuPlain and the River Dun, and closest to the River Test) is the southernmost part of Thorngate Hundred.
c. Elmstump Hundred - on page 110 of Book of the Warlord, Elmstump Hundred is part of the Estate of the Count of Salisbury.
d. Ambrius Hundred - I have Ambrius held by the Abbot of Ambrius Abbey.
e. Milkfield Hundred - Historically, I believe that the Bishop of Salisbury St. Mary's held directly the lands at Bishops Cannings (where Beautyfields Priory is on the map above). I wanted the Bishop to have a slightly larger holding, however, so allocated Milkfield Hundred to the Bishop of Salisbury.
f. Beautyfields Hundred - As explained above, Beautyfields should probably be an estate held by the Bishop of Salisbury. However, IMKAPC I wanted to add a more significant female presence, so I have an abbey - the Abbey of Wilton St. Mary - at Wilton (Floodriver), in Barehill Hundred, that is held by the Abbess of Wilton. I've made Beautyfields Priory a sub-priory under Wilton Abbey.
Otherwise, though, I like the clarity of superimposing the colours to represent holdings, and would use this map in my own campaign. I ended up doing that for my players using markers on photocopies of the map.
Sable Wyvern
07-08-2015, 11:38 PM
For clarity, my intention is that the purple represents royal hundreds, not royal forests.
You could well be right about Woodhouse. Edit: and thanks to the marvels of modern technology, I can access the books at work and have confirmed that Woodhouse is not in the list of Salisbury hundreds.
I looked long and hard to try and place the Forest of the Trench, and ended up settling on the area immediately north west of Ebble (along the River Nadder). I'm certainly open to alternatives, though. Having said that, I haven't actually attempted to represent Forests on the map.
I was initially going to give the entirety of Ambrius to the Abbot, but ended up deciding he holds a decent portion but not full hundred rights, largely because Llud's Hall is also present in the Hundred (and also because BoW doesn't give it to him).
Elmstump I need to correct.
Sable Wyvern
07-09-2015, 11:53 AM
Ok, updated version done, with the errors pointed out by Attila corrected.
I hadn't understood why you mentioned the Forest of the Badger initially, but when redoing it I realised I didn't properly follow the marked borders for Thorngate (the Hillfarm fort text threw me out, and I thought Chiefsfield was further east).
Attila
07-09-2015, 02:17 PM
For clarity, my intention is that the purple represents royal hundreds, not royal forests....
Ahh, I understand.
Nice work! I am definitely going to blow this up and use it for our campaign. Thanks, Sable Wyvern!
Taliesin
07-10-2015, 11:52 AM
Sir Lowes, is the Lord of Boarwood and holds his land directly from the King. It is a Free Manor. He does not have the title of Baron, however.
You have guessed the placement of the Forest of the Trench correctly. It takes up most of Birchford Hundred. There was simply no room for a label with all the stuff going on right there!
Nice job!
T.
captainhedges
07-10-2015, 06:13 PM
I have a BOW question I do not own the book yet but was wondering if each of the Warlords realms contain individual maps of each of their holdings? Such as is there a separate detailed map for Hill Farm or the swans, with in those boarders?
Sable Wyvern
07-11-2015, 05:29 AM
I have a BOW question I do not own the book yet but was wondering if each of the Warlords realms contain individual maps of each of their holdings? Such as is there a separate detailed map for Hill Farm or the swans, with in those boarders?
Nope. A small number of Warlords get their lands detailed, but not at a significantly finer scale than the detailed county map. I would expect we'd see the sort of thing you're talking about in the Book of Salisbury.
Taliesin
07-11-2015, 04:50 PM
Nope. A small number of Warlords get their lands detailed, but not at a significantly finer scale than the detailed county map. I would expect we'd see the sort of thing you're talking about in the Book of Salisbury.
Bingo. Each hundred will have a map.
T.
Attila
07-11-2015, 11:49 PM
Bingo. Each hundred will have a map.
T.
Yeaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!
...oops.
Greg Stafford
07-12-2015, 07:04 AM
I'll post one of the hundred entries on my KAP site
It will take a little while for it to happen
Also, this is a draft, probably with changes that are going to occur
Gilmere
07-13-2015, 08:00 AM
Nice work! I like that more maps are beeing shared! I made a similar map for my campaign. Although mine is modified to the change in politics in my region.
I plan to redo it to a "basic" startup before my next campaign starts in a few moments.
https://a-tale-of-blood-and-honour.obsidianportal.com/maps/63971
Sable Wyvern
07-13-2015, 08:12 AM
Nice work! I like that more maps are beeing shared! I made a similar map for my campaign. Although mine is modified to the change in politics in my region.
I plan to redo it to a "basic" startup before my next campaign starts in a few moments.
https://a-tale-of-blood-and-honour.obsidianportal.com/maps/63971
I see that you have actual artistic ability, unlike my hack-job. Good work. :)
Gilmere
07-13-2015, 09:49 AM
I wouldn't say artistic skills, but thanks for the compliment! You could probably take a look at the other maps on the same page as well if you want.
Perhaps we can do a collaboration some day?
Sable Wyvern
07-13-2015, 10:41 AM
I did look at the others, and was impressed.
Reminded me that I picked up Fractal Mapper a while ago, and I should probably look into getting some use out of it. Doing a new "Travel Times" map using the updated maps is probably a good idea. Yours is quite good, although obviously specific to the situation in your current campaign.
I'm probably going to copy your work on the Pengragon family tree as well -- it's much better than any other one I've been able to find on the web.
Gilmere
07-13-2015, 11:33 AM
Reminded me that I picked up Fractal Mapper a while ago, and I should probably look into getting some use out of it. Doing a new "Travel Times" map using the updated maps is probably a good idea. Yours is quite good, although obviously specific to the situation in your current campaign.
I'm probably going to copy your work on the Pengragon family tree as well -- it's much better than any other one I've been able to find on the web.
I have the PSD at home. It's pretty easy to change the layers to fit another setting.
The pendragon family data is pretty much stolen from other sources, I can't really take credit for it. There is a thread here on this forum where I got most of it from.
(I actually should post a credit for that, now that I think about it. it was on a todo that got lost in time and space...)
captainhedges
07-14-2015, 02:39 AM
I found this map while searching for other types of maps http://www.thekeep.org/~wombat/Pendragon/SalisburyPhase1D.jpg Take a look all!
Greg Stafford
07-14-2015, 10:23 AM
For the record, there is another Free Manor in the south, but since it is held by the holder of the nearby Hundred it got forgotten on that map. It will be in Book of Salisbury.
Merlin
08-19-2015, 11:58 AM
I'm in the process of uploading a bundle of new material for Greg to the website. One is of interest for this discussion, the Ambrius Hundred http://www.gspendragon.com/1politics.html
This and other new stuff can be found on the What's New Page.
Greg Stafford
08-20-2015, 02:05 AM
The Ambrius Hundred is a developmental draft of the upcoming Book of Salisbury
More information will be added, like the DV for the castles, fortified manors, and even for the enclosure/hill forts
important personalities
and so on
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