My first post, be gentle. I've just started picking up PDFs from 4th and 5th edition in the last month, and the game has so grabbed me that I think my purchases may have payed DriveThru's for the month. That being said. . .

I swear I saw in one an expanded armor chart. Half mail shirt, mail with open helm, mail with nasal helm, and so on. I greatly prefer a little more variety in equipment so this grabbed me. I just can't find it again. Was it in a book? Somewhere in these forums? Help!

Book of the Warlord has some listings of lesser armours: Haubergeon for 8 points being a mail shirt rather than a hauberk (the usual 10 pointer). Nasal helm gives one more point than normal "open" (conical) helm; I think our group got that from Knights and Ladies. Core rules has "reinforced chain" for 12pts, page 115, and plate armours of various types meant to be used later in the period.

If I recall correctly an improved helm grants the extra point of armor.

Book of the Warlord has some listings of lesser armours: Haubergeon for 8 points being a mail shirt rather than a hauberk (the usual 10 pointer). Nasal helm gives one more point than normal "open" (conical) helm; I think our group got that from Knights and Ladies. Core rules has "reinforced chain" for 12pts, page 115, and plate armours of various types meant to be used later in the period.


Nasal helm should be the default for the haubergeon and hauberk, IMHO.

Reinforced Chainmail has the cylindrical great helm of Crusaders fame. I think the Great Helm is the improved helmet that Greg is referring to in his answer, since it would fit the 'chronology' from chainmail (hauberk) to reinforced chainmail. I think one of the villains during Anarchy (Gorboduc?) may be using a transitional armor worth 11pts.

My first post, be gentle. I've just started picking up PDFs from 4th and 5th edition in the last month, and the game has so grabbed me that I think my purchases may have payed DriveThru's for the month. That being said. . .

I swear I saw in one an expanded armor chart. Half mail shirt, mail with open helm, mail with nasal helm, and so on. I greatly prefer a little more variety in equipment so this grabbed me. I just can't find it again. Was it in a book? Somewhere in these forums? Help!


David Dunham's PenDragon Pass?

SDLeary

Knights Adventurous (1990) has a detailed breakdown of different armor components.

Knights Adventurous (1990) has a detailed breakdown of different armor components.


Which pretty much boils down to:
+1 to armor if using a closed helm (a great helm or a visored helm) with chainmail or lighter armor; heavier armor assumes closed helm, -1 to armor if using an open helm (includes a nasal helm)

It's on page 109 to 111. And it doesn't really say much more than what Morien says. I suspect that it's not what grimmsqueeker saw.

Thanks for the replies. I think everything I need is here except for prices of the various armors, and I can figure that myself. I still haven't found the list, and I'm starting to wonder if I really saw it to begin with, or if I had too much tequila the night I first read Knights and Ladies. Regardless, I have what I need now. One last question: the armors are short on descriptions. Is reinforced mail double mail? Mail with shoulder and elbow plates? Brigandine over mail? And what is cuirboulli? I assume it's some sort of quality leather armor? And the mystery armor list I think I saw I think had cuirboulli defined. Unless it was all a tequila fueled dream. That's it. From now on, I only drink mead while reading.

Cuirboulli is hardened leather -- generally boiled in oil, I believe.

Yeah, cuirbouilli is boilded (hardened) leather.

"Reinforced chain" is a bit of a misnomer. Basically, norman chain is a chain that covers the body, the uooer arms and hangs down on the legs, but no chain leggings. "Reinforced chain" covers the whole body in chain, exept the face: i.e.: arms, hands, legs, feet too. And it exchanges the open helm of the "norman" chain with a closed helm. Basically, "norman chain" is what the normans wore at Hastings, while "Reinforced chain" is what the english wore during the Third crusade.

According to Knights Adventourus, a "Reinforced chain" may include "Light shoulder, elbow or knee guards" (pp 110-111), but the precense or absence of those do not affect it's game value.

Since there are no normans in KAP and "reinforced" chained isn't, I have changed the names of them to "Hauberk" and "Hauberk with chausses" in my games, i.e. use the correct medieval terms instead.



And don't get me started on what is wrong with "partial plate".

PS. You can find my take on armor names and prices here: http://nocturnal-media.com/forum/index.php?topic=2463.0.