The newer books, especially for the Early Period of the GPC, have introduced the administration unit known as the "hundred". It has a slight impact on the economic model, and taking part in its activities is one of a knight's duties. In addition to supplying some plot hooks if a knight becomes an officer of the hundred court or county court. And the more recent maps of Salisbury County and place references include references to these units and supply hundreds designations.

Wikipedia can supply information on hundreds, but it is usually information from later periods, such as the 1830s, and the hundreds have changed names and the places they enclose a great deal since their initial designation. In addition to areas being split off as liberties or independent boroughs.

The online Domesday (see list of resources in the appendices of the recent books) also has hundreds references and lists of the settlements within their boundaries as of the late 11th century. This is probably a better basis for the hundreds located in a GPC campaign. However, this resource does not help that much with the development of maps and other adjustments.

Which leads to the following site:
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/archaeology/research/projects/assembly/ElectronicAnderson

The UCL Dept of Archeology has research on Saxon-era meeting places; e.g. hundred courts and additional information available electronically. The link itself is for a page that has some valuable information regarding hundreds. There are three PDFs (originally written 1935-39) which cover information about the name etymologies for the hundreds in England. Also there is a developed set of electronic maps showing the hundreds in each of the Domesday counties.

These have both been useful for me towards researching the names and locations of the hundreds for counties other than Salisbury. Which, in turn, helps me in the development of campaign maps, what lies near player knight manors lying outside of Salisbury, and so forth.

(These are "untranslated" names of course. But the text does have some information regarding the origin of the hundred names including what they might have been named after and thus someone has work towards their own translated names as they go along. :) )

Dear Oaktree,

That is just awesome. I've been looking all over for a map of hundreds and finding failure and frustration. Thank you so much for this resource link. Great find!

I will take a look later at Wiltshire and see if I can make it fit with the official Salisbury hundreds map. If I can, this may be a great help is getting clearer pictures of the make up of other counties. This opens up a map/economic resource that could be very useful for the anarchy.

Nice insight
I actually have maps of each county with its hundreds
I am just at a loss about how to post it all

For information's sake
I have used the Domesday hundreds, not the later one
I went through Anderson in detail and broke up all the later larger ones into smaller ones

Here is the map that I used
http://maps.familysearch.org/#search

It gets quirky sometimes, but I a wonderful resource
I use the Ordnance overlay a lot
However, one must be very careful not to mistake railroads for something else--the RR very often go on routes not used earlier
also, be careful of the canals there--they are all much too late for us
But overall, it is a great research tool
I am sorry I haven't posted this earlier!

Dear Mr. Stafford,

I wonder if you have considered the official Wikipedius? I know that as a resource it seems to have become discontinued, but I think it could be a great resource, especially if you're willing to entertain a volunteer. <Insert long speech about love of maps, here.>
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Yea
the KAP wiki basically got zero support from others
I'll put it on my website first


I do not mean to derail this specific thread with such a discussion, but I have wondered how one can become an editor for the Wiki. Your maps would be of great help to us, especially your official naming conventions for many places, now that I've had a few minutes to compare the hundreds from oaktree's source with the official Hundreds of Salisbury map found in the Book of the Warlord.

I mean no offense by this humble suggestion.
none taken
there is nothing there to apologize for

Now I, who am ignorant of my own resources, do apologize for not knowing a thing abou
t the wiki
not even how to become an editor

Dear Oaktree,

That is just awesome. I've been looking all over for a map of hundreds and finding failure and frustration. Thank you so much for this resource link. Great find!

I will take a look later at Wiltshire and see if I can make it fit with the official Salisbury hundreds map. If I can, this may be a great help is getting clearer pictures of the make up of other counties. This opens up a map/economic resource that could be very useful for the anarchy.

You can pick out relationships between the official Pendragon map and the Anderson-derived works. Not an exact match, but enough in my opinion to work with for other areas. And I plan to do some consolidation or trading of manor space simply for convenience. A few outliers are OK, but if I start doing smaller maps of individual hundreds I think that will be easier to work with.

And one very nice thing is that the electronic maps are in the same 1:50,000 scale. I actually edited the Wiltshire, Hampshire, Somerset, and Dorset maps into a single monster one to use as a base map to derive smaller maps from. (Mainly due to my interest in Dorset(te), which in Uther period is not congruent to the current county. It loses a number of hundreds to Jagent, and takes some from Hampshire.)

And a quick side question to Greg. I see Dorsette listed as having 33 hundreds. Is this a known list based on Domesday, or something of an estimate? I've gotten 33 through some trading of hundreds from the Domesday material, but looking at Anderson I also see some of these hundreds arguably should be consolidated instead of being treated separately. Though I will look at the link you supplied tonight and see how that corresponds to my limited research.

Dear Oaktree,

It's great that you mentioned stitching the maps together. I saw that they were the same scale and was planning to do the same thing. It's heartening to know sometimes that I'm not alone in my obsessions. I appreciate the smile your post brought to my face. I hope the maps go well. Maybe you'd consider sharing some of your work at a later date?

Dear Oaktree,

It's great that you mentioned stitching the maps together. I saw that they were the same scale and was planning to do the same thing. It's heartening to know sometimes that I'm not alone in my obsessions. I appreciate the smile your post brought to my face. I hope the maps go well. Maybe you'd consider sharing some of your work at a later date?

I have no problem with sharing things once they start to come together. Or even share my current 57MB monster.

Basically the wiki got zero support
The gent in charge pretty much let it go for good reason
I actually do not know how to become an editor
What I will do though it post these maps on my website
either my KAP or my www.Staffordcodex.com

Dear Mr. Stafford,

I am saddened to here about the Wikipedius fate, but I also understand. I look forward to your maps! I'm sure Oaktree, myself, and many lurking Forumites will be excited to use them in our campaigns. I appreciate your time and effort. Thank you.

Dear Mr. Stafford,

I am saddened to here about the Wikipedius fate, but I also understand. I look forward to your maps! I'm sure Oaktree, myself, and many lurking Forumites will be excited to use them in our campaigns. I appreciate your time and effort. Thank you.

I have seen a few hundred maps for locations in Salisbury on Greg's KAP site; Swans (Swanborough), and Ambrius (Amesbury). In fact I tried to do some reverse-engineering of the information there against some of the available research sites. The hundreds themselves appear to match those in the Electronic Anderson site (link earlier in this thread) with some outliers absorbed I think for simplicity. The locations with the hundred generally match the parish maps from the Ord Survey in the Historical Maps site (Greg supplied link earlier in this thread). And the locations often have a corresponding entry in the Domesday information. However, the render for the locations do not quite match up with the taxation data from Domesday.

Once I finalize my take on the Uther-period hundreds for Dorsette I will post that list in the appropriate forum.

Oaktree
I cannot figure out how to make an attachment on this forum
If anyone can tell me, please do
meantime, contact me in email and I can save you trouble of figuring Dorsette. It is a real monster

Thank you very much. I did send you an email.

argh, my mailbox was full
but send it to my regular email, please
not the forum one

thanks

I have posted my m,aps for the hundreds at gspendragon.com/
See "What's New"


I have seen a few hundred maps for locations in Salisbury on Greg's KAP site; Swans (Swanborough), and Ambrius (Amesbury). In fact I tried to do some reverse-engineering of the information there against some of the available research sites.

Nice work!


The hundreds themselves appear to match those in the Electronic Anderson site (link earlier in this thread) with some outliers absorbed I think for simplicity.

correct


The locations with the hundred generally match the parish maps from the Ord Survey in the Historical Maps site (Greg supplied link earlier in this thread).

Yes


And the locations often have a corresponding entry in the Domesday information.

Yes, though as you see, not always
I have tried to contact the author why some entries correspond to Anderson and others don't
but she has not responded


However, the render for the locations do not quite match up with the taxation data from Domesday.

The KAP render = 60% of the Domesday amounts,
with some exceptions
These values are not quite right as they ignore the "inlands," which are the holdings of lords who were not taxed
I have no idea of how to calculate those, but am still considering it because I like the mental exercise
I do not know if I will every make anything of my speculations on that
Doomsday Book has other omissions as well that I ignore for now