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Gilmere
06-10-2016, 01:39 PM
Where is the best wine in Britain from? Gwaelod? Lyoness? Avalon?

Morien
06-10-2016, 07:28 PM
"To date the research has identified the remains of seven Romano-British vineyards - four in Northamptonshire, one in Cambridgeshire, one in Lincolnshire and one in Buckinghamshire."

"One of the main wine-producing areas of Roman Britain seems to have been the Nene Valley, in what is now Northamptonshire."

"In Roman times, Britain had a slightly warmer climate than now; and, with 500 to 600mm of rain a year, Northamptonshire is at the lower end of the British precipitation range, which would have meant fewer fungal problems. The area would therefore have been suitable for grape production."

Link here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/veni-vidi-viticulture-remains-of-roman-vineyards-found-in-uk-738723.html

(Avalon is unreachable, Gwaelod doesn't grow their own wine, so that would leave Lyonesse from your list.)

Gilmere
06-10-2016, 07:48 PM
Thanks! That is really usefull information!

To expand on the question, is there a foreign country where the wine could come from?

Short story: In my next adventure I need a really expensive bottle of wine. For the flavour and future adventures, I'd really like it to come from some Pendragon kingdom or place. "It's a amfora of wine from the kingdom of X, it's really rare and expensive. This must be a very important feast."

Morien
06-10-2016, 09:10 PM
In Middle Ages, the English used to import wine from Gascony (Ganis), Southwestern France, partially because it was held by the King of England with his other hat of being the Duke of Aquitaine (from Eleanor of Aquitaine). So keeping it in the family, so to speak.

However, since we want something a bit more exotic than the French (or Ganis), I would suggest Falernian, from Italy. It already had a high reputation during Ancient Times, and needing to haul it across the Alps and France (or sail around Spain) would make it more of a luxury item, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falernian_wine

Other suggestions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alban_wine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chian_wine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_wine

Or you can go really far and just come up with your own wine, 'From the cedared slopes of Phoenicia' or something.

Greg Stafford
06-13-2016, 10:14 PM
There is a published scenario titled "The Best Wine in Britain"
It is in Savage Mountains
The wine there is from the same bath that Noah made when he got drunk and passed out

Morien
06-13-2016, 10:35 PM
The wine there is from the same bath that Noah made when he got drunk and passed out

Which is obviously a miracle since about 3000 years in a bottle would turn even the greatest wine to sludge. :)

Greg Stafford
06-14-2016, 03:30 PM
Which is obviously a miracle since about 3000 years in a bottle would turn even the greatest wine to sludge. :)

Oh no, not reality interfering with a good fantasy!
What is this game coming to?
I guess I should have used a jug of wine from the Last Super, which would make it only five centuries
:/

Morien
06-14-2016, 04:42 PM
Oh no, not reality interfering with a good fantasy!
What is this game coming to?
I guess I should have used a jug of wine from the Last Super, which would make it only five centuries
:/

Hey, you are allowed to have magic and miracles in Pendragon! I distinctly remember having a book with that in the title! :P

Five centuries would be better than 3 millenia, but still a miracle. Most wines won't last a decade and even better ones might only be good for two decades. You need something like port to get into a century, and even that is not enough to get to three centuries. (I didn't know this either before I got curious and started Googling.)

mandrill_one
06-14-2016, 08:13 PM
Sorry to nitpick, but the adventure is actually "the best wine in the world", not just in Britain! I guess the name is deserved, not many wines last more than 4000 years in other places too...
However, I'm not so sure that a particularly strong (i.e., high-grade) wine or some sealed distillate wouldn't pass the test of time:

- Liquid spiced rice wine about 3000 years old was found in China; the scientists say "it had a fragrant aroma" when the vessels were opened. Source: http://www.penn.museum/research/projects-researchers/asian-section/112-the-earliest-alcoholic-beverage-in-the-world

- Another 1700-year-old bottle of liquid (ancient Roman) wine has been found in Germany. Oenologists say that it's probably not spoiled, but also probably not tasting good, either. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speyer_wine_bottle

- Some tokaji bottles last more than 300 years; one from the 1680s is known to exist. Source: http://www.finestandrarest.com/tokaji.html

Horsa the Lost
06-14-2016, 10:02 PM
I came up with an age of about 2800 years for Noah's wine. Based on Biblical chronology and the dates in KAP. Well aged.

That the amphora or bottle remained unsmashed and the wine undrunk for all that time is almost harder to believe than that the wine was still good.

Gilmere
06-25-2016, 09:48 AM
Wow, nice info. :) I ended up using a "a bottle of wine from the strange kingdom of Felernia."

The best wine in the world will be another adventure, I am sure.
Here is a short summary of the adventure where I used the wine, if anyone is interested. https://oath-of-crows.obsidianportal.com/wikis/disastrous-feast