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dwarinpt
07-26-2016, 09:42 PM
I may have imagined this but I could swear I read somewhere that after the Battle of Badon, each PK would be awarded lands (or equivalent loot) with a value of £1 for each round survived and an extra for each critical round. This was in addition to the normal loot from battle. Did I dream this up or is it written somewhere? I tried going back to The Great Pendragon Campaign but I cannot find it anywhere (again, I probably dreamt this up).

Morien
07-27-2016, 07:03 AM
First time I hear about that, to be honest. You might be confusing it with the 'rounds' of looting that happen after Badon, although even then, it is loot, not lands. There is a reconquest of those Saxons lands in 518, so it is a great opportunity for the PKs to try and get some more lands, especially if they have distinguished themselves with great deeds or if they have a family claim on some of the lands ('my father had the manor of X, before Aelle's Saxons overran the land and we had to flee' or some such).

dwarinpt
07-27-2016, 11:22 AM
First time I hear about that, to be honest. You might be confusing it with the 'rounds' of looting that happen after Badon, although even then, it is loot, not lands. There is a reconquest of those Saxons lands in 518, so it is a great opportunity for the PKs to try and get some more lands, especially if they have distinguished themselves with great deeds or if they have a family claim on some of the lands ('my father had the manor of X, before Aelle's Saxons overran the land and we had to flee' or some such).

Someone pointed it to me. It's in Year 519, under Events. Lands are awarded from among those taken from the Saxons.

Greg Stafford
07-27-2016, 04:49 PM
Someone pointed it to me. It's in Year 519, under Events. Lands are awarded from among those taken from the Saxons.
That is a pretty high return for survival. I'd not write that now.
I feel the lucrative pillaging is reward enough.
Think about Arthur's position
Figure 500 knights survive
that's L5000 of income, not counting the additional funds for criticals

I also did not put in the subsequent difficulties of those holders
Saxon wives when the Pks almost certainly high Hate Saxons have
rebellions more frequent indicated in the text
Rebellions significant enough to pull your adventurers out of fun adventures for another rebellion supression

That said, reward your PKs as they deserve in your eyes.
I wrote it, I could live with it even in my own campaign
Have fun

Morien
07-27-2016, 05:43 PM
Someone pointed it to me. It's in Year 519, under Events. Lands are awarded from among those taken from the Saxons.

Thanks for pointing it out. The first part of our campaign ended with a (deliberate) Total Party Kill (courtesy of Wotan himself) at the Battle of Badon, as I (the GM) was moving away and this was before we adopted online gaming (Skype at first, then Teamspeak), so the campaign needed some closure. When we restarted the campaign, we skipped 5 years so that the kids would grow up, so we actually missed the events in 519-524, and as such, they are not that ingrained in my memory.

Like Greg, I feel that the mere survival is not enough for a manor. On the other hand, if the campaign default is vassal knights (which it tends to be), I as the GM would be pretty generous with household knights in order to bring them to the same situation. But in the interests of fairness, the criteria of gaining land should be about the same across the board, regardless of the status of the knight. Note, by the way, that the extra income in 519 is only for rounds when you get a critical success, not for the normal rounds.

I might be inclined to ignore the automatic reward of land and just use the criticals as a guideline. Something like £2 - £5 Customary Revenue per a critical success round. On the other hand, it depends against whom you are getting those criticals. Fighting some Saxon Fyrd would be much lower in the scale, while smacking a Saxon King's heorthgeneats around would be at the high end.

In fact, Badon being what it is, I think I would run a suitable scale encounter as an extended melee in there. Successfully capturing Cerdic and Cynric, for instance? Good for manors all around. But you will need to succeed in that, first...

Hzark10
07-30-2016, 09:31 PM
my little bit of in put is to refer to the guidelines under the Battle of Badon, GPC. The texts suggests that gamemasters should be prepared to kill off about half of the PKs. Once it is over and the rewards given out per those guidelines (and possibly getting very rich at the expense of a few measly negative trait checks). Now, in 519 the texts says unlanded knights get a manor. All landed knights receive additional lands equal to 1/2 of what they currently hold. No where does it say he receives those lands adjacent to what he holds now. And that brings up problems that others have suggested. Those negative trait checks? Gee, what happens when word gets back home about what the knight was doing? Perhaps good (Saxons got what they deserved), but perhaps bad (he stole food and wealth from widows and children?). The goal is to make sure this is a memorable battle and a launching point for the next period: Conquest.