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Deacon Blues
08-23-2016, 05:15 AM
Not sure if this is the best place to put this, but I was curious if someone has done a grand timeline of adventures from KAP: What year they take place in best, what book they're located in, and, especially for adventures that have been in multiple books, what are the differences/"best" versions of the adventures. For instance, my entire Pendragon collection has come secondhand from other sources (mostly my uncle), all in PDF format, so it's not always clear to me which versions of an adventure are the most definitive. Like... I think the Oxford Usurpers adventure from the GPC is in another of the books, but I don't know which one, what the difference is, and which version is considered the best way to run it (though obviously, this is very subjective). The Grey Knight also comes to mind; I've got the pdf of the adventure book, but just discovered that it's also in the book Tales of Mystic Tournaments. Is there any difference?

Also, related to this, I was hoping to put together a timeline with every KAP adventure listed on it, and literally play every adventure, year-by-year. Obviously, the group would need to have multiple characters to run through all of them, though since I often allow a couple adventures in a year if they're fairly short, I bet they could go through them with no more than 4-5 characters apiece. Has anyone already assembled a document like this?

Morien
08-23-2016, 08:33 AM
I think I have seen something like a yearly list on these forums once in a while... Alas, I can't remember who it was or what thread it was. Hopefully that someone (or someone who remembers it) will read this thread and replies.

As far as the best version... Generally, the rule of thumb is to use the latest version. So whatever is published last is the definitive version. That being said, the Lordly Domains gives much more information on the Rydychan situation and develops it into a multi-year scenario. So in my mind, it is much superior to the short blurb in GPC, and it is the LD version I used (with some tweaks) in our campaign.

As for the Grey Knight, I think you should definitely use the version in the Tales of Mystic Tournaments. The reason is that while the general system has stayed the same from 1st edition to the third, there have been some tweaks to the Glory and so forth. Unfortunately, not everything has been updated in the ToMT Grey Knight, either: for instance, the skills of the Named Round Table Knights are unbelievably low in 1st edition (even given that they are young, like Agravaine has Sword 12 in 520, and his stats SUCK at SIZ 9, STR 7 and damage 3d6... this guy is not RTK material in the slightest, in 1st edition), and I think this is still the case in the ToMT... I don't have the books before me, but I seem to recall all named characters having skills less than 15 (or thereabouts) in the starting Joust of the Grey Knight adventure. In short, the beginning PK is able to smack the named knights around. (Granted, the 1st edition can go the other way, too... Mordred with STR 30 and Tramtrist with SIZ 27???)

Chronologically, there are some slight issues with the Grey Knight, too. Assuming that the ages in 1st edition are correct, Agravaine is born in 496, making him 18 at the start of 515 (since birth and aging happens at the end of the year in Winter Phase, but ALL publications seem to ignore this, grr...), so he shouldn't be a knight yet. But that I can sort of wave aside, since he is a prince. Gaheris, who is even younger, and a squire to Gawaine in 514, is also listed as a Sir Gaheris. Again, this takes some handwaving, but he is a prince, too, and he fights on Gawaine's side during 514, so maybe...?

As for your idea of having 4-5 characters per player, I strongly advice against it, based on my own experiences. Maybe have a secondary character, a spare, for those rare occasions when your primary is badly hurt and there is another adventure anyway. But most of the time, you would be able to fit all the published adventures into the Pendragon timeline without having to run more than 1 adventure per year.

jmberry
08-23-2016, 05:41 PM
I've actually made a timeline of every adventure I could find, including their source and which county I put them in. A lot of the pre-5th stuff doesn't have canon dates or locations, though, so a lot of my placements are pretty arbitrary.

SirUkpyr
08-23-2016, 06:06 PM
I've actually made a timeline of every adventure I could find, including their source and which county I put them in. A lot of the pre-5th stuff doesn't have canon dates or locations, though, so a lot of my placements are pretty arbitrary. Would love to see that!

Greg Stafford
08-23-2016, 06:21 PM
Wow
Can I put that on my website?

Morien
08-23-2016, 09:19 PM
It would be great to have that on Greg's website.

Of course, I wouldn't mind rehashing the dates and placements, too, especially on those that you are feeling a bit more iffy about, jmberry. Always interesting to see how another GM has decided to use the adventures. :)

Taliesin
08-26-2016, 03:52 AM
Funny you should ask. I put this together just about a week or two ago:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HVmSV3FfN599Zxeovfetyv3Q392ax-sDW2WsdJR6kZg/edit?usp=sharing

I'd really like some help curating this. I'm not sure it's 100% complete. I'd also like to provide a brief explanation of the premise for each adventure so a gamemaster can decide at a glance whether it's something he's interested in pursuing. It might also be handy to have the key NPCs, listed in a column, especially in the case of Round Table knights, etc.

I must give credit to werecorpse, who did the heavy lifting. Thing is, I has started to do this very same thing a few years back but never finished it. Then I stumbled upon his PDF somewhere on these forums, which is great, but I wanted be able to sort by year, or alpha etc. So I converted his PDF to a spreadsheet, cleaned up and standardized the data some and voila! There you have it.

I hope you find this useful. If you want to make it even more useful, please contact me about helping me curate it.

I've also been working on a KAP pronunciation guide, as an aside, if anyone wants to help curate that as well.


Best,


T.

PS. I wanted very much to include this info, for the Uther Phase at least, in the BOOK OF UTHER. It was nixed for space considerations. Happy to see the complete list find a home here.

Deacon Blues
08-26-2016, 08:00 PM
Ooh, that is useful. While I wouldn't mind some more exact dates on some of those, and more adventure descriptions, this is helpful

jmberry
08-26-2016, 09:43 PM
Funny you should ask. I put this together just about a week or two ago:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HVmSV3FfN599Zxeovfetyv3Q392ax-sDW2WsdJR6kZg/edit?usp=sharing

I'd really like some help curating this. I'm not sure it's 100% complete. I'd also like to provide a brief explanation of the premise for each adventure so a gamemaster can decide at a glance whether it's something he's interested in pursuing. It might also be handy to have the key NPCs, listed in a column, especially in the case of Round Table knights, etc.

I must give credit to werecorpse, who did the heavy lifting. Thing is, I has started to do this very same thing a few years back but never finished it. Then I stumbled upon his PDF somewhere on these forums, which is great, but I wanted be able to sort by year, or alpha etc. So I converted his PDF to a spreadsheet, cleaned up and standardized the data some and voila! There you have it.

I hope you find this useful. If you want to make it even more useful, please contact me about helping me curate it.

I've also been working on a KAP pronunciation guide, as an aside, if anyone wants to help curate that as well.


Best,


T.

PS. I wanted very much to include this info, for the Uther Phase at least, in the BOOK OF UTHER. It was nixed for space considerations. Happy to see the complete list find a home here.

My own list is similar, and like yours was based off of werecorpse's. My design philosophy was to have at least one adventure or battle per year, so I gave most of the back-up adventures from the GPC a set year instead of the general timeframe that was the default. It was also designed with the idea that not every adventure would be used (as some years offered choices). I didn't include any of the Enchantment adventures, as they could be slotted anywhere, and I removed the 488 event involving Somerset/Summerland, as I found it superfluous with the Uther extension. Likewise, I used the Lordly Domains' version of the Wallingford brothers adventure rather than the GPC version. For the record, the list was:

479 Winter - The Beast of Imber (Salisbury) - KAP5.1
480 - Visiting Lady Ellen (Silchester) - MCR; Battle of Menevia (Estregales) - KUP; Battle of Salisbury (Salisbury) - KUP
481 - Visiting Lady Rosalyn (Lambor) - MCR; Battle of Bedegraine (Bedegraine) - KUP
482 - Invasion of Summerland (Summerland) - KUP; The Water Leapers (Summerland) - GPC (Moved from 488); Visiting Lady Llylla (Caercolun) - MCR
483 - Ambush on the Royal Road (Because of where I rolled for the Easter Court to be, I set this in Huntland) - MCR; Prince's Passion (I rolled the Easter Court to be in Lonazep) - KUP
484 - Battles of Eburacum and Mt. Damen (Malahaut) - KUP
485 - Battle of Mearcred Creek (Sussex) - GPC
486 - Sword Lake (Salisbury) - GPC
487 - Sword Feast (Salisbury) - GPC; Lindsey Embassy (Linden) - GPC; Malahaut Embassy (Malahaut) - GPC; Naval Raids (Sussex, Kent, Essex, Anglia) - GPC
488 - Invasion of Frankland (Neustria/Normandy) - GPC
489 - Excalibur's Peace (Summerland, Ascalon) - GPC; Lindsey Skirmishing (Linden) - GPC
490 - Battle of Lindsey (Linden) - GPC; Great Victory Feast (Linden) - GPC; King's Progress (The Entire Cumbria region) - GPC; Retaliation (Nohaut) - GPC; Prisoner of Courtesy (Londinium) - GPC
491 - Battle of Terrabil (Tintagel) - GPC; Siege of Tintagel (Tintagel) - GPC; Uther's Wedding (Tintagel) - GPC
492 - Helping Merlin (Tintagel) - GPC; Treason Trial (Tintagel) - GPC
493 - Envoys to Malahaut (Malahaut) - GPC; Saxon Ambush (Somewhere on the journey to or from Malahaut) - GPC; ALTERNATIVELY a combination of Skirmish at Allington (Salisbury) - KAP4 and Mercenary Syagrius (Salisbury) - GPC
494 - Embassy to Estregales (Estregales) - GPC
495 - Battle of St. Albans (Thamesmouth) - GPC; the Infamous Feast (Thamesmouth) - GPC
496 - Tribute to Aescwine (Salisbury) - GPC; Meeting Cerdic (Wessex) - GPC
497 - Meeting Sir Ulfius (Salisbury) - GPC; Sir Gorbudoc (Salisbury) - GPC
498 - The Assailant (Salisbury) - GPC; Escorting Merlin (Dorsette) - GPC; Knight of the Tusks (Dorsette) - GPC
499 - Saxons make Overtures (Salisbury) - GPC
500 - Best Wine in the World (Cardigan) - SM
501 - Kidnapping Attempt (Salisbury) - GPC; Morgan's Marriage (Gorre) - GPC
502 - Invasion of Cameliard (Cameliard) - I thought there was a whole event about this in the GPC, but it turns out I was just getting it confused with the Solo GPC blog
503 - Forest Sauvage (Forest Sauvage) - GPC
504 - Forest Sauvage if it wasn't resolved in 503 (likely)
505 - Battle of Levcomagus (Silchester) - GPC; Battle of Royston (Thamesmouth) - GPC; Battle of Hertford (Hartland) - GPC
506 - 506 is one of three 'dead' years that I have. My best bets are to either fill it with Anarchy and Forest Sauvage mini-adventures that haven't occurred yet, or try and build something character driven
507 - Of Allies and Enemies Prologue (Rydychan) - LD; Escorting Ninianne (Summerland) - GPC
508 - Battle of Netley Marsh (Wessex) - GPC; Of Allies and Enemies Year 1 (Rydychan) - LD;
509 - Investiture of Robert (Salisbury) - GPC; Of Allies and Enemies Year 2 (Rydychan) - LD
510 - The First Tournament (Londinium) - GPC; Battle of Carlion (Escavalon) - GPC; Battle of Bedegraine (Bedegraine) - GPC; Battle of Carohaise (Cameliard) - GPC; Of Allies and Enemies Conclusion (Rydychan) - LD
511 - Tournament of Dreams (Powys) - MT
512 - Igraine's Tale (Thamesmouth) - GPC; Arthur vs. Pellinore (Escavalon) - GPC; The Knight of the Two Swords (Escavalon) - GPC; Battle of Bassus (Malahaut) - GPC; Battle of Mount Agned (Garloth) - PC1 (No official Battle rules)
513 - Battle of Terrabil (Cameliard) - GPC (For the sake of argument Terrabil and Tribruit are considered the same battle); Morgan's Challenge (Bedegraine) - BL
514 - The Birthday Haunt (Escavalon) - DB1; Spectacle of the Wedding (Cameliard); Battle of Glein (Gomeret) - PC1 (No Official Battle rules)
515 - The Grey Knight (Escavalon) - MT
516 - Battle of Humber (Malahaut) - GPC; A wife for Earl Robert (Gentian) - GPC (I'd also put the Battles of Dubglas in this year, but I have no idea where Dubglas is supposed to be in Pendragon)
517 - Battle of Lincoln (Linden) - GPC; Battle of Caledonian Woods (Caledonia) - GPC
518 - Battle of Badon (Salisbury)
519 - The Maiden's Oath (Salisbury) - DB2; Battle of Alclud (Stronggore) - GPC
520 - Battle of Fort Guinnon (Anglia) - GPC; High Adventure in the Wastelands (Listennoise) - GPC
521 - Continue High Adventure in the Wastelands if it wasn't concluded in 520 (likely)
523 - Island of Fees (Somewhere on the Cambria/Logres border, like Clarence) - GPC; Cambrian War Year 1 (Powys) - SM
524 - Cambrian War Year 2 (Powys) - SM
525 - Spectre King (Roestoc) - SK; Cambrian War Year 3 (Powys, Norgales) - SM; Contest for the Queen's Knights (Camelot) - BL
526 - The French War (France) - GPC
527 - The Roman War (France, Germany, Italy) - GPC
528 - Heart Blade (Summerland) - BL
529 - Bran's Head (Londinium) - GPC; Battle of Surluse (Long Isles) - GPC
530 - The False Guenever (Camelot) - DB1; Battle of Tara (Meath) - GPC; Castle of Bones (Meath) - COB
531 - Wexford Tournament (Leinster) - GPC; White Horse Vale (Salisbury, Gentian) - KAP4; Camille's Rebellion (Anglia) - GPC
532 - Outlaws in Gwynedd (Norgales) - GPC; King Today's visit (Camelot) - GPC
533 - Paris Tournament (Ile de France) - GPC; The Holy Sword (Salisbury) - MM
534 - Cornwall Wedding and Tournament (Tintagel) - GPC; Peningues Tournament (Whatever Chesire's name is now) - GPC; Circle of Gold (I set this in Rydychan, largely to pun off of Dorchester-upon-Thames's name) - MT
535 - Builth War (Builth) - SM; The Basket Knight (Camelot) - GPC
536 - Second French War (France) - GPC; The Rosebriar Knight (Totnes) - MM
537 - Cournailles Tournament (Brittany) - GPC; Rochester Tournament (Kent) - GPC; Ghost Knight (Huntland) - SK
538 - Guenever's Kidnapping (Summerland) - GPC
539 - Cealwina and Radiger (Germany) - GPC
540 - Seeking the King 1 (Logres) - GPC; The Stygian Stallions (Anglia) - BL
541 - Seeking the King 2 (Logres) - GPC
542 - Castle of Tears (Cardigan) - BL
543 - Hard-Rock Tourney (Clarence) - GPC; The New-Made Knight (Malahaut) - CR
544 - Cornish Bandits (Jagent, Summerland, Dorsette) - GPC; Friendship Tournament (I decided to set it in Jagent, owing to that region's location on the Logres/Cornwall border) - GPC
545 - Le Chevalier sans Memorie (Various regions in Logres) - GPC
546 - Bessinger Inheritance (I decided to set this in Chesire) - GPC; Perilous Forest (Chesire) - PF
547 - Mysterious Manor (Jagent) - CR; Totnes Tournament (Totnes) - GPC
548 - Cerne Abbas (Dorsette) - CR; Sarum Tournament (Salisbury) - GPC
549 - Conisborough Tournament (Roestoc) - GPC; White Horror (Roestoc) - SK
550 - Ten Saints (Logres) - GPC
551 - Stone House Visit (Tintagel) - GPC
552 - The Dragon's Hoard (Pase Amans) - DB4; Surluse Tournament (Long Isles) - GPC
553 - King of the Red City (Linden) - DB3; Lonazep Tournament (Lonazep) - GPC
554 - The Grail Appears (Camelot); Castle of Light (Somwhere in Cumbria) - MM
555 - Cornish Invasion (Summerland) - GPC OR Continue Grail Quest (All over the world) - GPC
556 - Battle of Cirenchester (Corinium) - GPC
557 - Lancelot Tournament (Camelot) - GPC
558 - Horned Boar (Malahaut) - SK
559, 560 - These are the other two 'dead' years, and they're a lot harder to fill than 506 was, even with the Healing of Urre, since there isn't much written about the Twilight Period compared to the current edition's focus on Uther and the Anarchy or previous editions' focus on the Tournament and Romance periods (and the Grail Quest has ended the Enchantment, so those adventures are closed off). My best guess would be to use these years to wrap up any lingering plot threads the PKs have, so that the remaining years can focus solely on the metaplot.
561 - Companions' Tournament (Linden) - GPC
562 - Lady's Day Tournament (Camelot) - GPC; Hallowmass Tournament (Hantonne) - GPC
563 - Lancelot exposed (Camelot) - GPC; Guenever's Trial (Camelot) - GPC; Pendragon-Ganis War (Garloth) - GPC
564 - Siege of Benwick (Benoye) - GPC
565 - Skirmish at Dover (Kent) - GPC; Battle of Barnham Downs (Kent) - GPC; Camlann (Salisbury) - GPC; Le Morte d'Arthur (Summerland) - GPC

Abbreviations:
GPC - Great Pendragon Campaign
MCR - Marriage of Count Roderick
KAP# - Pendragon core rulebook (# denotes edition)
KUP - Uther supplement
SM - Savage Mountains supplement
MT - Mystic Tournaments supplement
DB# - Dragons of Britain fanzine (# denotes issue)
PC1 - 1E Pendragon Campaign
BL - Blood & Lust supplement
MM - Magic & Miracles supplement
SK - Spectre King supplement
COB - Castle of Bones web supplement
CR - Chivalry & Romance supplement
PF - Perilous Forest supplement
BW - Beyond the Wall supplement
LD - Lordly Domains supplement

Morien
08-26-2016, 11:55 PM
Nice lists, Taliesin & jmberry (and of course, werecorpse on whose work both of those lists rest). I am going to nitpick jmberry's list a bit, since it is much easier to comment on the forum, especially when I am tired. :)



497 - Meeting Sir Ulfius (Salisbury) - GPC; Sir Gorbudoc (Salisbury) - GPC


Sir Gorboduc was supposed to happen in Forest Sauvage, Medbourne, though? Did you move it to Salisbury to have it closer to the PKs?



500 - Best Wine in the World (Cardigan) - SM


Personally, I would stay away from SM adventures until after Badon. The reason? The PKs have no business gallivanting off to Cambria during the Anarchy, and then during the Boy King they are too busy. Also, in order to have really the chivalric conventions of helping ladies etc, that is coming more from King Arthur and Guinever (IMHO), and they marry in 514. My 'sweet spot' for SM is the early 520s, which I see you did pick for the Cambrian War, too.



502 - Invasion of Cameliard (Cameliard) - I thought there was a whole event about this in the GPC, but it turns out I was just getting it confused with the Solo GPC blog


I remember seeing a mini-campaign set on Cameliard. However, in GPC, remember that Nanteleod is chewing his way through Cambria around this time, and Cameliard has already submitted to him at the start of 502. Given that he by this time holds all of Cambria and a good chunk of NW Logres, I don't really see this invasion happening in the 'canonical GPC'. In your own campaign, of course, the situation can be different. :)



503 - Forest Sauvage (Forest Sauvage) - GPC
504 - Forest Sauvage if it wasn't resolved in 503 (likely)


Again a personal preference, but I like to send the PKs to really adventure in the Forest Sauvage more in the slow years of the Boy King, rather than during the Anarchy, when they actually have a chance to influence how things are going in Salisbury and in its environs. I notice that you are totally neglecting the expansion of Cornwall here, for example.



505 - Battle of Levcomagus (Silchester) - GPC; Battle of Royston (Thamesmouth) - GPC; Battle of Hertford (Hartland) - GPC
506 - 506 is one of three 'dead' years that I have. My best bets are to either fill it with Anarchy and Forest Sauvage mini-adventures that haven't occurred yet, or try and build something character driven
507 - Of Allies and Enemies Prologue (Rydychan) - LD; Escorting Ninianne (Summerland) - GPC
508 - Battle of Netley Marsh (Wessex) - GPC; Of Allies and Enemies Year 1 (Rydychan) - LD;
509 - Investiture of Robert (Salisbury) - GPC; Of Allies and Enemies Year 2 (Rydychan) - LD
510 - The First Tournament (Londinium) - GPC; Battle of Carlion (Escavalon) - GPC; Battle of Bedegraine (Bedegraine) - GPC; Battle of Carohaise (Cameliard) - GPC; Of Allies and Enemies Conclusion (Rydychan) - LD


My personal preference is to run the Of Allies and Enemies in the late 490s, when things are still relatively slow. It also makes sense that the Countess of Rydychan's husband would have died in 495, so the usurpation happens right there and then, and OAaE runs 496 - 499 or so. Sure, you can kill the Count of Rydychan off in 505, but then you have a problem of Nanteleod, who would be by rights the Countess' guardian, and already rules over half of Logres and all of Cambria. He can stomp on the usurper brothers without any problems.

I also find your timing problematic for another reason: you complain that 506 is slow, and at the same time, your OAaE overlaps with the HUGE disaster of the Battle of the Netley Marsh, as well as the subsequent Saxon raiding in 509, AND the extremely busy year 510. At the very least I'd start OAaE in 506, and hope that the PKs can wrap it up before BoNM in 508, or, you know, the whole thing might just collapse in the aftermath of BoNM and needs to be mopped up during Boy King (511-514).



511 - Tournament of Dreams (Powys) - MT


Personally, I feel this is a bit too soon. Arthur hasn't really had time to inspire the King of Powys with tournaments and such. I'd wait until 514, when he has defeated King Lot and is universally acknowledged as the High King. However, this is just a minor quibble.



528 - Heart Blade (Summerland) - BL


This is a mistake, I think. Heart Blade needs a long wind-up to really work, and with the Knights having been busy in Cambrian, French and Roman wars all this time, especially the latter, there is not that much time to woo Ahvielle. Heart Blade works much better, IMHO, in the 530s when you have no more big wars to take your time.



539 - Cealwina and Radiger (Germany) - GPC


I have to say that this is one adventure that I have a hard time putting into my campaigns. Angles have been the enemy for decades, and Duke Hervis has pretty much no incentive whatsoever to help. Why would the PKs help a Anglish princess to marry a king in the continent and hence get possibly a powerbase to launch an invasion to free her homeland from Duke Hervis' rule? Just look at the Stygian Stallions next year (in your list) that have Anglish enemies again. Finally, how on earth did Radigar ever even get betrothed to this girl? She hasn't been a princess since 518! (And if the adventure is set in 539, she is an old maid to boot!)

EDIT: Actually, she is described as a SISTER to the last King of the Angles. And since the last (and the first) King of the Angles is (based on GPC p. 71) is Cwichelm, this means that she is very much in the old maid territory, since she is almost certainly born prior to 500 or we should hear more about Cwichelm's dad, too. So, she is around 30+ at the earliest time of this adventure... No wonder that Radigar's dad said to drop her.



558 - Horned Boar (Malahaut) - SK


I'd have Horned Boar earlier, since it is pretty magical and better suited for the Enchantment prior to the end of the Grail Quest, IMHO.



559, 560 - These are the other two 'dead' years, and they're a lot harder to fill than 506 was, even with the Healing of Urre, since there isn't much written about the Twilight Period compared to the current edition's focus on Uther and the Anarchy or previous editions' focus on the Tournament and Romance periods (and the Grail Quest has ended the Enchantment, so those adventures are closed off). My best guess would be to use these years to wrap up any lingering plot threads the PKs have, so that the remaining years can focus solely on the metaplot.


You could hold back some of the more human-centric adventures, like the Mysterious Manor and the Bessinger Inheritance, neither of which requires magic or faeries of any sort, and run the Horned Boar in those pre-Grail years?

I re-used Circle of Gold (which the PKs never completed) to show the effect of the fading of Magic with the closing of the Grail Quest: All those magical effects protecting the Kingdom of the Circle of Gold from various monsters? Gone. Monsters were freed to ravage the land and who do you call? RTKs, or in this case, the PKs (with a couple of RTPKs and aspiring-RT PKs).

Also, I was never quite satisfied with the handling of Cornwall in GPC Twilight. They attacked CAMELOT. And Arthur does nothing to retaliate? I had a Logres-Cornwall war with the gunpowder evening the odds a bit on the Cornish side, also helped that they had castles and were more than happy to be besieged, whilst Arthur didn't allow the usual strategy of just ravaging the countryside until the enemy would either come out and fight or see the peasantry and crops destroyed. Also, I had the French pile in during the Grail Quest to take Normandy back again, and of coruse, King Brian was raiding the coasts and supporting the Saxon uprisings that happened during the Grail Quest, too. So there was some mopping up to do once the RTKs were back.

Morien
09-09-2016, 10:16 PM
Using Taliesin's list as a basis (since I am lazy and don't believe in duplicating the work), the big adventures (that is, full write-up rather than short synopsis; battles, tournaments and 'witness this event' and such excluded) suitable for knights (so the Pictish & Saxon campaigns are removed... I also removed the Land of Giants -adventures, since they are more suitable for Norsemen/Saxon campaigns, IMHO) are:

Beyond the Wall (1):
Adventure of the Treacherous Pict

Blood & Lust (4)
The Adventure of the Heart Blade
The Adventure of the Castle of Tears
The Adventure of Morgan le Fay's Challenge (shortish, admittedly)
(The Adventure of the Forest Adventurous) - taking this one out since it is not an adventure on its own, but more of a setting / encounter list.
The Adventure of the Stygian Stallions

Dragons of Britain 1-4 fanzine (4):
The Birthday Hunt
The Maiden's Oath
The King of the Red City
The Dragon's Hoard

GPC (5):
Sir Gorboduc the Devil
The Whispering Path
Embassy to Estregales (I am including this, as there is plenty of scope there for GM to add more stuff, and the PKs are in the line of fire, so to speak; it is a borderline, but so is Sir Gorboduc, too.)
(Forest Sauvage) - excluding this due to the same reason as the Adventurous Forest
The Castle of Joy (and its many subcomponents, this easily takes several sessions)
Cornish Invasion (Year 555, including this since there is a lot of scope for PK initiative, although I admit it is not a fully-written out adventure.)

KAP 3rd & 4th ed (2):
The Adventure of the White Horse
Bear of Imber (5th & 5.1 editions, too)

Perilous Forest (1):
The Adventure of the Perilous Forest
(The Adventure of the Wasteland) - removed since it is not is 'own' adventure but again, more of a setting for mini-adventures.

Savage Mountains (4):
The Adventure of the Dolorous Wyrm
The Cambrian War - included since it's subsection, the Builth War, has a lot of scope for PK initiative (and is a multi-year mini-campaign, too!)
The Adventure of the Paulag Cat
The Adventure of the Best Wine in the World

Tales of Chivalry & Romance (5):
The Adventure of the New Made Knight
The Story of Castle Wakely
The Adventure of the Mysterious Manor
Adventure of the Golden Rose
The Adventure at Ceren Abbas

Tales of Magic & Miracles (5):
The Adventure of the Rosebriar Knight
The Adventure of the Deceitful Faerie
The Adventure of the Fay Road
The Adventure of the Holy Sword
The Adventure of the Castle of Light

The Spectre King (5) / Tales of the The Spectre King (6):
The Adventure of the Spectre King
The Adventure of the Werewolf
The Adventure of the Ghost Knight
The Adventure of the Helmed Knight
The Adventure of the Horned Boar
The Adventure of the White Horror (Only in the Tales of the Spectre King, The Spectre King has the Grand Tourney of Logres instead)

The Tournament of Dream + The Grey Knight (3) / Tales of the Mystic Tournaments (3):
The Tournament of Dreams
The Adventure of the Circle of Gold
The Grey Knight

Total: 39 (If you drop some of the iffy ones, you'll still get well above 30.)

Given that the Pendragon campaign is (now) from 480 to 565 or so, it is 85 years. (Many of those years have Battles and Tournaments, and there is a host of scenario seeds to build up, too.) So you have a published, big adventure for almost every other year already, or definitely for every third year. That is pretty good, and I admit it made my GMing the campaign much easier, when I mainly had to figure out how to adapt the adventure to the particulars of my campaign, than having to come up with everything by myself.

jmberry
09-19-2016, 03:14 AM
Nice lists, Taliesin & jmberry (and of course, werecorpse on whose work both of those lists rest). I am going to nitpick jmberry's list a bit, since it is much easier to comment on the forum, especially when I am tired. :)


So I went and double checked my notes and spreadsheets and pdfs to answer your concerns. It does turn out I got some details wrong, but since I perpetually update the thing this won't pose a problem until I actually get to run it.

A)"Sir Gorboduc was supposed to happen in Forest Sauvage, Medbourne, though? Did you move it to Salisbury to have it closer to the PKs?"

This was a case of me misreading it, since doublechecking I see it is indeed in Lonazep County. For some reason I assumed it took place in the Morgaine/Modron/Gloom and Glamour Forest
ADDENDUM: Okay, looking in one of the newer books I found a reference to a castle in Western Salisbury being taken over by an evil fae or demon creature and must have conflated the two. I could either continue the conflation, or move it to a later year and back in Lonazep.

B)"Personally, I would stay away from SM adventures until after Badon. The reason? The PKs have no business gallivanting off to Cambria during the Anarchy, and then during the Boy King they are too busy. Also, in order to have really the chivalric conventions of helping ladies etc, that is coming more from King Arthur and Guinever (IMHO), and they marry in 514. My 'sweet spot' for SM is the early 520s, which I see you did pick for the Cambrian War, too."

I initially wrote that assuming that the PKs were going to be ambassadors to Gwaelod for Nanteleod, but now I realize that trying to force a presumed path for the Anarchy isn't a good idea. Looking through, I may move it to 532, as a side path or continuation of Outlaws in Norgales, and also to acknowledge that Gwaelod is still around in the KAP4 rulebook

C)"I remember seeing a mini-campaign set on Cameliard. However, in GPC, remember that Nanteleod is chewing his way through Cambria around this time, and Cameliard has already submitted to him at the start of 502. Given that he by this time holds all of Cambria and a good chunk of NW Logres, I don't really see this invasion happening in the 'canonical GPC'. In your own campaign, of course, the situation can be different."

Yeah, looking through this I realize I got it from sirlarkins's Solo GPC blog, and he got it from a website that has apparently gone defunct. He had it occur over the end of 501 and the beginning of 502, too, rather than placing it solely in 502 like I did.

D)"Again a personal preference, but I like to send the PKs to really adventure in the Forest Sauvage more in the slow years of the Boy King, rather than during the Anarchy, when they actually have a chance to influence how things are going in Salisbury and in its environs. I notice that you are totally neglecting the expansion of Cornwall here, for example."

Yeah ... my usual group's not the kind that does well with the "freeform" stuff that the Anarchy is full of. There's also the fact that I have to write this with "worst-case scenarios" in mind; in this case, every PK dying at St Albans, whether through battle or the Infamous Feast. Still, they may surprise me in that regard (although I can say with certainty that the new economic model won't be used - it's good, but if I had to make an excel spreadsheet to see how it fits together, it'll fly like a lead balloon at my table).

Again, since I can't say for certain what direction they'll take, I can't reference the political angle of the Anarchy - maybe events would have played out that they have to help Ulfius in the Saxon invasion, maybe they'll be fighting against or with Cornwall. And again, maybe their original characters all died at St. Albans and so they have to play squires or household knights with no real clout at court. Point is, Sauvage exists more as a failsafe than anything.

If I did move it to the Boy King period, it'd probably replace Tournament of Dreams for 511.

E)"My personal preference is to run the Of Allies and Enemies in the late 490s, when things are still relatively slow. It also makes sense that the Countess of Rydychan's husband would have died in 495, so the usurpation happens right there and then, and OAaE runs 496 - 499 or so. Sure, you can kill the Count of Rydychan off in 505, but then you have a problem of Nanteleod, who would be by rights the Countess' guardian, and already rules over half of Logres and all of Cambria. He can stomp on the usurper brothers without any problems."

This is the one that went through the most revisions. I initially placed the single-year GPC version in 506, but then found out about the multipart version in Lordly Domains, so I bought Lordly Domains and modified the timeline while I was writing it here. I think my initial reasoning was that if things went pear-shaped, I'd include a cameo by Sirs Ector and Kay (and Kay's squire) on their way to the London Tournament, which is why I wanted it so late. Again, this was based off the single-part version, which could easily be included after Nanteleod's death and the breakdown of his alliance. You're probably right that the multi-part version works better in the early days.

Hmm, what would you say to this arrangement:
496-OA&E prolougue (:The Young Scholar: is merged with this)
497-OA&E Year 1 (replaces Gorboduc)
498-OA&E Year 2 (Sir Bennem, from "The Assailant", is re-imagined as a cousin of the brothers Wallingford. His invasion of Salisbury is really a plot by Sir Bege to distract the PKs by threatening their homeland)
499-OA&E conclusion

This actually does work out better, now that I think about it. "Best Wine" can be replaced with "Land Grab", with the banneret being inspired by the PK's actions in Rhydychan (I'll probably replace Sir Allan with Sir Lycus, both because Lycus is established as an NPK, it's in character for him, and 'Allan' is too similar a name to 'Alain', who would be showing up soon as Escavalon becomes more important). Gorboduc can be moved to 506 or, if 506 does prove to be busy, 509 (where Robert's knighting is the only other event of note).

F)"Personally, I feel this is a bit too soon. Arthur hasn't really had time to inspire the King of Powys with tournaments and such. I'd wait until 514, when he has defeated King Lot and is universally acknowledged as the High King. However, this is just a minor quibble."

Hmm, my second choice would be to have it at 514, and have Glein occur "off-camera" in Gomeret while the PKs are in Powys. That depends on if I have adventuring in Forest Sauvage occur in 511 rather than 503 as initially planned.

G)"This is a mistake, I think. Heart Blade needs a long wind-up to really work, and with the Knights having been busy in Cambrian, French and Roman wars all this time, especially the latter, there is not that much time to woo Ahvielle. Heart Blade works much better, IMHO, in the 530s when you have no more big wars to take your time."

Maybe a better phrasing would have been "Heart Blade Starts", but while writing I forgot that it was a multi-year storyline. I placed "Contest for the Queen's Knights" where it is because the chaos of the French and Roman Wars made a good excuse for why Bertelot wasn't discovered (Amren was written off as a war casualty) and also because Ahvielle's paganism would seem out of place in later years as Camelot becomes more overtly Christian (in this interpretation, more than one year passes between the contest and the storyline proper). Obviously the real problem with Heart's Blade is that there may not be a suitable candidate by 528, but I can always bump it to 531 and let the Castle of Bones deal with older and/or married and/or amorous knights ;-).

In any event, remembering that it was a multiyear storyline, the actual makeup should look something like this

525 - Contest for the Queen's Knights (aka Heart's Blade prologue)
528 - Meeting Ahvielle, Wooing Ahvielle 1 (Mercy Task)
529 - Wooing Ahvielle 2 (Generosity Task)
530 - Wooing Ahvielle 3 (Honesty Task)
531 - Wooing Ahvielle 4 (Just Task)
532 - Wooing Ahvielle 5 (Forgiving Task)
533 - Wooing Ahvielle 6 Trusting
534 - In Search of the Heart Blade
535 - The Beltane Meeting (if Ahvielle died but her knight lived) or the Wedding (if both died)

The biggest problem, other than the Irish War (Which can be avoided if Ahvielle's suitor simply isn't called upon) is that this does run up with the Circle of Gold (if I keep the 528 date, then In Search of Heart Blade and Circle of Gold would actually take place in the same year!). Even if different knights follow these threads (not a guarantee), it runs into the same problem you mentioned for Rydychan - too many plots slamming into each other. I could avoid this by moving Circle of Gold to 539, replacing the Radiger event.

H)"I have to say that this is one adventure that I have a hard time putting into my campaigns. Angles have been the enemy for decades, and Duke Hervis has pretty much no incentive whatsoever to help. Why would the PKs help a Anglish princess to marry a king in the continent and hence get possibly a powerbase to launch an invasion to free her homeland from Duke Hervis' rule? Just look at the Stygian Stallions next year (in your list) that have Anglish enemies again. Finally, how on earth did Radigar ever even get betrothed to this girl? She hasn't been a princess since 518! (And if the adventure is set in 539, she is an old maid to boot!)

EDIT: Actually, she is described as a SISTER to the last King of the Angles. And since the last (and the first) King of the Angles is (based on GPC p. 71) is Cwichelm, this means that she is very much in the old maid territory, since she is almost certainly born prior to 500 or we should hear more about Cwichelm's dad, too. So, she is around 30+ at the earliest time of this adventure... No wonder that Radigar's dad said to drop her."

"Cealwina and Radiger" was a hard one for me to place as well, even though it's based off a story by Procopius (although Procopius writes that her brother [usually interpreted to be Wuffa] isn't a crowned king but is living as a private citizen). The real problem is that this seems like it would be a better fit for a "Land of Giants" campaign rather than the GPC, so I replace this with "Circle of Gold" (see above) and mention it as an aside.

As for this providing a potential Angle powerbase, well, that's exactly what will happen. The combined Angle/Varni manpower will be enough that after Camlann an aged Wuffa can lead a fleet and retake Anglia, thus explaining why some traditions have him arriving from the continent rather than being born in Britain.

I)"I'd have Horned Boar earlier, since it is pretty magical and better suited for the Enchantment prior to the end of the Grail Quest, IMHO."

Yeah, when rereading it I realized the adventure was a lot more mystical than my initial skimming had shown. I'll probably incorporate it into High Adventures in the Wasteland as a result.

Morien
09-19-2016, 11:56 AM
A)"Sir Gorboduc was supposed to happen in Forest Sauvage, Medbourne, though? Did you move it to Salisbury to have it closer to the PKs?"

This was a case of me misreading it, since doublechecking I see it is indeed in Lonazep County. For some reason I assumed it took place in the Morgaine/Modron/Gloom and Glamour Forest
ADDENDUM: Okay, looking in one of the newer books I found a reference to a castle in Western Salisbury being taken over by an evil fae or demon creature and must have conflated the two. I could either continue the conflation, or move it to a later year and back in Lonazep.


Yes, that was in BotW, but it has nothing to do with Sir Gorboduc (unless you want it to, of course).

In our campaign, the PKs helped out the Countess of Rydychan in 496 - 497, managing to wrap it up quickly, and (those who did the most) were rewarded with some manors in Rydychan. As Rydychan borders the Forest Sauvage, they did have a connection to it and explored a bit, until running into Merlin and being pushed by him to take care of Sir Gorboduc, before he left the island. In your campaign, something else might work better.



[Best Wine in the World]
I initially wrote that assuming that the PKs were going to be ambassadors to Gwaelod for Nanteleod, but now I realize that trying to force a presumed path for the Anarchy isn't a good idea. Looking through, I may move it to 532, as a side path or continuation of Outlaws in Norgales, and also to acknowledge that Gwaelod is still around in the KAP4 rulebook


OK. By the way, I notice that you put Builth War to 535, whilst the Cambrian War is over a decade earlier. They are supposed to run concurrently. Yes, this can mean that the PKs miss out on the main Cambrian War, but that is good: it is pretty boring compared to the personal initiative that the PKs can show at the Builth War. Furthermore, by having it in the early half of 520s, any survivors of Badon should be pretty Glorious and shoo-ins for the leadership position. Additional advantage is that you already have a pretty busy 530s and Builth War takes more than one year, too. By running it earlier, it is in its proper context, and you avoid overlapping too many adventures in 530s. Again, just my opinion. :)



[Invasion of Cameliard]
Yeah, looking through this I realize I got it from sirlarkins's Solo GPC blog, and he got it from a website that has apparently gone defunct. He had it occur over the end of 501 and the beginning of 502, too, rather than placing it solely in 502 like I did.


Again, depends what is going on and if your PKs have any business in Cambria... That is one thing about Anarchy, like you mentioned before (and below), that the GM needs to think a bit on his feet to adapt to what the PKs are doing. In any case, I think King Ryons' invasion of Cameliard, if this is what this is, would be better a bit earlier, in 500. In 501, Ryons should be busy worrying about Nanteleod, based on the GPC timeline.



[Forest Sauvage]
Yeah ... my usual group's not the kind that does well with the "freeform" stuff that the Anarchy is full of. There's also the fact that I have to write this with "worst-case scenarios" in mind; in this case, every PK dying at St Albans, whether through battle or the Infamous Feast. Still, they may surprise me in that regard (although I can say with certainty that the new economic model won't be used - it's good, but if I had to make an excel spreadsheet to see how it fits together, it'll fly like a lead balloon at my table).

Again, since I can't say for certain what direction they'll take, I can't reference the political angle of the Anarchy - maybe events would have played out that they have to help Ulfius in the Saxon invasion, maybe they'll be fighting against or with Cornwall. And again, maybe their original characters all died at St. Albans and so they have to play squires or household knights with no real clout at court. Point is, Sauvage exists more as a failsafe than anything.

If I did move it to the Boy King period, it'd probably replace Tournament of Dreams for 511.


Fair enough. For what it is worth, in my experience, it is pretty rare that all PKs die at St. Albans, unless the GM is actively trying to kill them all. They are likely still pretty low in status/glory to be equal to the great heroes, barons and estate holders, who would be the ones inside the feast hall with the King. Depends on your campaign, of course. I have run this twice now (the first one became defunct soon after the start of Anarchy for various reasons), and I think only in the latter one, one PK got poisoned. He had been collecting Glory and he did excellently in the battle, helping to save Count Roderick from berserkers, and then carrying the banner of Salisbury for the rest of the battle as the old standard bearer had been killed. So, he was invited to sit at Roderick's side at the feast... The player was bragging about his luck with the dice until he discovered that his character was poisoned... He wasn't happy about it, but he came around.




[Of Allies & Enemies]
Hmm, what would you say to this arrangement:
496-OA&E prolougue (:The Young Scholar: is merged with this)
497-OA&E Year 1 (replaces Gorboduc)
498-OA&E Year 2 (Sir Bennem, from "The Assailant", is re-imagined as a cousin of the brothers Wallingford. His invasion of Salisbury is really a plot by Sir Bege to distract the PKs by threatening their homeland)
499-OA&E conclusion

This actually does work out better, now that I think about it. "Best Wine" can be replaced with "Land Grab", with the banneret being inspired by the PK's actions in Rhydychan (I'll probably replace Sir Allan with Sir Lycus, both because Lycus is established as an NPK, it's in character for him, and 'Allan' is too similar a name to 'Alain', who would be showing up soon as Escavalon becomes more important). Gorboduc can be moved to 506 or, if 506 does prove to be busy, 509 (where Robert's knighting is the only other event of note).


I am a bit hesitant about giving 100 Glory for simply escorting The Young Scholar, especially since the PKs are basically bringing an army with them to Oxford, too. Other than that, it does match beautifully.

I'd actually use Gorboduc either in 497 or 498 (in 498, they should have defeated the brothers already or at least nip them back some). They are in the neighborhood, Merlin is around, and the adventure doesn't need to take that long. 509 is a terrible year to go to Sauvage Forest: The Saxons have defeated Nanteleod and are definitely raiding Salisbury (unless Salisbury was on the Saxon side). Alternatively, you could just delay Merlin by a year and do Gorboduc in 499.



[Tournament of Dreams]
Hmm, my second choice would be to have it at 514, and have Glein occur "off-camera" in Gomeret while the PKs are in Powys. That depends on if I have adventuring in Forest Sauvage occur in 511 rather than 503 as initially planned.


Yes, I think 514 would work much better for it.



[Heart Blade]
Maybe a better phrasing would have been "Heart Blade Starts", but while writing I forgot that it was a multi-year storyline. I placed "Contest for the Queen's Knights" where it is because the chaos of the French and Roman Wars made a good excuse for why Bertelot wasn't discovered (Amren was written off as a war casualty) and also because Ahvielle's paganism would seem out of place in later years as Camelot becomes more overtly Christian (in this interpretation, more than one year passes between the contest and the storyline proper). Obviously the real problem with Heart's Blade is that there may not be a suitable candidate by 528, but I can always bump it to 531 and let the Castle of Bones deal with older and/or married and/or amorous knights ;-).

In any event, remembering that it was a multiyear storyline, the actual makeup should look something like this

525 - Contest for the Queen's Knights (aka Heart's Blade prologue)
528 - Meeting Ahvielle, Wooing Ahvielle 1 (Mercy Task)
529 - Wooing Ahvielle 2 (Generosity Task)
530 - Wooing Ahvielle 3 (Honesty Task)
531 - Wooing Ahvielle 4 (Just Task)
532 - Wooing Ahvielle 5 (Forgiving Task)
533 - Wooing Ahvielle 6 Trusting
534 - In Search of the Heart Blade
535 - The Beltane Meeting (if Ahvielle died but her knight lived) or the Wedding (if both died)

The biggest problem, other than the Irish War (Which can be avoided if Ahvielle's suitor simply isn't called upon) is that this does run up with the Circle of Gold (if I keep the 528 date, then In Search of Heart Blade and Circle of Gold would actually take place in the same year!). Even if different knights follow these threads (not a guarantee), it runs into the same problem you mentioned for Rydychan - too many plots slamming into each other. I could avoid this by moving Circle of Gold to 539, replacing the Radiger event.


Ah, OK. I misunderstood, as the location was given as Summerland, and that is valid only during the In Search of the Heart Blade, the climax of the storyline. Your schedule looks OK, apart from the potential confusion with the Irish War, which would be a reason, as you say, to maybe kick it to 531 instead. As you can see from previous, I would move Builth War back to 520s, so that frees up 535 in your schedule, too. You can easily juggle the other adventures to hit the 'solo years' of Ahvielle's story. And meeting Ahivielle can easily happen at the Pentecost of 531, before Camille.



"Cealwina and Radiger" was a hard one for me to place as well, even though it's based off a story by Procopius (although Procopius writes that her brother [usually interpreted to be Wuffa] isn't a crowned king but is living as a private citizen). The real problem is that this seems like it would be a better fit for a "Land of Giants" campaign rather than the GPC, so I replace this with "Circle of Gold" (see above) and mention it as an aside.

As for this providing a potential Angle powerbase, well, that's exactly what will happen. The combined Angle/Varni manpower will be enough that after Camlann an aged Wuffa can lead a fleet and retake Anglia, thus explaining why some traditions have him arriving from the continent rather than being born in Britain.


Yes, but that is a very poor reason for the Cymri PKs to help the Angles. I agree that it is a better fit to a Saxon or a Land of Giants campaign, and best dropped from the default Cymri campaign.



I)"I'd have Horned Boar earlier, since it is pretty magical and better suited for the Enchantment prior to the end of the Grail Quest, IMHO."

Yeah, when rereading it I realized the adventure was a lot more mystical than my initial skimming had shown. I'll probably incorporate it into High Adventures in the Wasteland as a result.

That would place the PKs around the correct area, yes. Especially if you run it before the main storyline about the Castle of Joy, maybe the PKs can use this adventure's results to call upon their friends in Wexford to gather some extra troops, too? That would be nice callback to the adventure, IMHO, linking everything together. :)

Morien
09-20-2016, 09:22 AM
(although I can say with certainty that the new economic model won't be used - it's good, but if I had to make an excel spreadsheet to see how it fits together, it'll fly like a lead balloon at my table).


New Economic Model in a Nutshell:
1 knight per 10 of land (or per manor, if you are lazy like me)
3 foot soldiers per 10 of land
1 discretionary funds per 10 of land
Standard of Living = 5 + 1 per 10 of land

That's IT.

Everything else is gravy, for people who wish to know exactly how many servants there are and what are their job titles, etc. They are not mandatory.

So, a hypothetical 50 (five manor) estate holder PK would have:
5 knights (one of which is himself)
15 foot soldiers
5 discretionary funds
Standard of Living = 5 + 5 = 10 = Rich Knight

Not an excel sheet in sight.