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Deacon Blues
08-26-2016, 02:29 AM
I was just looking over at the Prince Valiant Kickstarter, and it mentions a reward as being a copy of the KAP Edition 5.2 rulebook... This seems to be the only mention I can find of this book. Is my Google-fu failing me, or what? And as someone who owns the 5th and the 5/1 book, would it be worth getting?

Greyblade
08-26-2016, 03:41 PM
I think it was also included in the Aquelarre kickstarter, and 5.2 only contains minor changes & corrections compared to 5.1, as well as different illustrations. Nothing major

RichardPF
09-04-2016, 07:30 PM
It was also mentioned in the Prince Valiant KS that if you previously bought the ebook of KAP 5.1 from DriveThru, you would automatically receive the new 5.2 edition.

steviewevie
12-13-2016, 10:44 AM
The KAP 5.2 PDF has just been released to backers of the Prince Valiant Kickstarter (I just downloaded it). I can't see it on the main DTRPG site yet.

Edit - this is what Stewart Wieck said in the comments on KS when asked about general availability of KAP 5.2 on DTRPG - "... later this week. I'd like KS backers to have a brief exclusive, but don't want to leave KAP 5.1 owners too far behind."

cwfrizzell
12-14-2016, 10:37 AM
Just skimmed the PDF. Love the artwork!

Merlin
12-16-2016, 11:16 AM
Only had time for a quick skim as well, but agreed, looks lovely!

Luca Cherstich
12-17-2016, 09:18 AM
What are the changes in terms of mechanics between 5.1 and 5.2?

Luca Cherstich
12-18-2016, 11:09 AM
I mean: did you change anything conflicting with later books like BoE and BoW (e.g. Glory from being Vassal Knights, Fealty/Homage, etc..)??

jmberry
12-18-2016, 05:34 PM
None of the rules from the supplements made it in, if that's what your wondering. The biggest changes I could see after one read through are:

1. You no longer gain a set amount of money from your manor. Instead, you simply determine your means of living from the year's past events, and that determines roughly how much money you gain
2. The whole set-up reminds me more of the older editions. There's less focus on Uther's period and Arthur constantly gets brought up, even though 485 is still the default starting year
3. There's an appendix recapping the various ways to get glory (the most important change, IMO, since that was always difficult for me to remember)
4. In general, the layout is easier to read than the past two 5th edition rulebooks have been

It struck me as a little weird that they wouldn't bring in any changes from the other books - Roderick's still an earl - but after sleeping on it, it struck me. This book is intended to return Pendragon to its roots. Malory's knights didn't care about economics or terminology or politics beyond "Arthur Good." They simply wandered around Britain like well-armored vagrants looking for Adventure. So, say, economics is now something you only need to concern yourself with if you have Book of the Estate, and so on.

jmberry
12-19-2016, 03:03 AM
I was half-asleep when I wrote the above, but to answer Luca's question better, no, I don't believe anything in supplemental books were contradicted by this - I believe, since those books are optional, they supersede anything in the core book if there is a contradiction, and this will be the case until KAP 6th edition comes about.

Luca Cherstich
12-19-2016, 09:41 PM
Thank you for your reply!

steviewevie
12-20-2016, 11:20 AM
Looks like it's on DTRPG now - http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/165085/King-Arthur-Pendragon-Edition-52

Morien
12-20-2016, 01:54 PM
None of the rules from the supplements made it in, if that's what your wondering. The biggest changes I could see after one read through are:

1. You no longer gain a set amount of money from your manor. Instead, you simply determine your means of living from the year's past events, and that determines roughly how much money you gain
2. The whole set-up reminds me more of the older editions. There's less focus on Uther's period and Arthur constantly gets brought up, even though 485 is still the default starting year
3. There's an appendix recapping the various ways to get glory (the most important change, IMO, since that was always difficult for me to remember)
4. In general, the layout is easier to read than the past two 5th edition rulebooks have been

It struck me as a little weird that they wouldn't bring in any changes from the other books - Roderick's still an earl - but after sleeping on it, it struck me. This book is intended to return Pendragon to its roots. Malory's knights didn't care about economics or terminology or politics beyond "Arthur Good." They simply wandered around Britain like well-armored vagrants looking for Adventure. So, say, economics is now something you only need to concern yourself with if you have Book of the Estate, and so on.

I wouldn't read too much into it, personally. As far as I can see, 5.2 is an layout upgrade, with very little else. I didn't read through it word for word, but on a glance, there are very minor differences. To answer to your points:

1.
5.1, p. 61: "Your starting manor pays you an annual income of £6—enough to support an appropriate lifestyle."
5.2, p. 77: "Your starting manor pays you an annual income of £10 — enough to support an appropriate lifestyle."
Also, both books say the exact same thing in the Winter Phase:
"STEP 4: ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES
Every character must determine his situation as regards food, money, clothing, possessions, and holdings in consultation with the Gamemaster. An overall grade of maintenance must be established for your character. See “Standards of Living” in Chapter 8 to help make the appropriate determination."
Your Own Land - solo seems to be identical in both, too.
So the only thing I can see changed is that the value of the manor and the glory you gain from it, bringing it in sync with BotE and BotW. (Alas, the child survival and childbirth tables are still murderous.)

2. Again, while I didn't read it word for word, to me it seemed that the text is pretty much the same. I didn't notice any difference in emphasis on Arthur, save for the art, which is definitely going full Excalibur (the Movie) with Uther in full plate armor (in illustration)... But for instance, the Introduction to King Arthur in the beginning is the same in both books.

3. "Appendix Six: Glory" existed already in KAP 5.1 (although I think it was missing in 5.0).

4. Here I agree. The use of multiple colors is making it more appealing and easier to read.

dwarinpt
12-21-2016, 04:49 PM
On the other hand, the Chivalrous requirements were not changed (80) although they're clearly wrong.

Morien
12-21-2016, 08:14 PM
On the other hand, the Chivalrous requirements were not changed (80) although they're clearly wrong.

Good point, further illustrating that 5.2 is just a layout upgrade, not intended to be a rules revamp. Then again, they are giving it to 5.1 owners for free, so I am not complaining! :)

The email I got from Nocturnal via Drivethrurpg said:
"In truth, we've given you KAP 5.2 because it's essentially the same game as KAP 5.1. There have been no rules changes or additions. However, the appearance of the book has been completely overhauled, including the amazing artwork by Jaime Garcia Mendoza that appeared in the Spanish translation of the game published by Nosolorol Ediciones and outstanding new layout by Aileen Miles. In addition, thanks to Roberto Mandrioli, KAP 5.2 corrects literally hundreds of small errors from KAP 5.1. Naming conventions, plain wrong names, missing lines and more are all corrected as of this new edition."

So pretty much an errata correction & layout upgrade, but without touching on the evolution of the system that has been going on in the supplements (save for changing the value of the manor).

Luca Cherstich
12-24-2016, 10:33 AM
Do you have plans for selling it as a Print on Demand?

And, if one buys it as a pdf now, will he later get a discount on print on demand or not?

beardo1976
03-14-2017, 05:19 PM
Do you have plans for selling it as a Print on Demand?

And, if one buys it as a pdf now, will he later get a discount on print on demand or not?

I'm also very interested in purchasing a print version of 5.2. Is this in the works?

jmberry
05-29-2017, 04:52 PM
A minor change I just noticed is that Sir Jaradan (from the Salisbury section) has had his name changed to Sir Jarren. Given that Jaradan is supposed to be a Marshall in 531, I can understand the change to them being different characters (Jaradan would have had to be at least 67 in 531 otherwise).