Morien
09-21-2016, 02:57 PM
These two manor types are mentioned in the Heiresses, but not explained well anywhere in the book. (The Heiresses, by the way, are way too rich. See this thread: http://nocturnalmediaforum.com/iecarus/forum/showthread.php?2295-p-56-Heiresses .
In a nutshell, what they mean is:
Demesne: The knight/lord holds the land directly, and has to maintain a knight for each manor (or 10 libra). This knight is the vassal knight / lord himself for the first manor, and a household knight for the other manors. There is some money left over, which goes to the holder of the land (vassal knight / lord) in this example. See this thread for more http://nocturnalmediaforum.com/iecarus/forum/showthread.php?2832-p-134-Manor-income-%A36-gt-%A310 .
Enfeoffed: This means that there is actually a vassal knight who is a vassal to the knight/lord. They are beholden to provide a knight (themselves, and 3 foot soldiers) for the muster, but other than that, they rule their own manor and spend its earnings themselves.
This is very much a matter of perspective. For instance, the default PKs start out as vassal knights, ruling their own manors as the vassals of the Count of Salisbury (Earl is a Saxon equivalent of the Count). Thus, as far as the PKs are concerned, their manors, to them, are demesne manors: they are holding the land directly, not via another vassal knight. However, as far as the Count is concerned, they are enfeoffed manors: he has given them to vassal knights to hold rather than keep the land for himself.
In either case, the liege accrues Glory from both demesne and enfeoffed manors.
Book of the Manor got these definitions wrong, by the way: a demesne manor still has to provide a knight, too. It is errataed here: http://nocturnalmediaforum.com/iecarus/forum/showthread.php?2296-Demesne-and-enfeoffed-definitions .
In a nutshell, what they mean is:
Demesne: The knight/lord holds the land directly, and has to maintain a knight for each manor (or 10 libra). This knight is the vassal knight / lord himself for the first manor, and a household knight for the other manors. There is some money left over, which goes to the holder of the land (vassal knight / lord) in this example. See this thread for more http://nocturnalmediaforum.com/iecarus/forum/showthread.php?2832-p-134-Manor-income-%A36-gt-%A310 .
Enfeoffed: This means that there is actually a vassal knight who is a vassal to the knight/lord. They are beholden to provide a knight (themselves, and 3 foot soldiers) for the muster, but other than that, they rule their own manor and spend its earnings themselves.
This is very much a matter of perspective. For instance, the default PKs start out as vassal knights, ruling their own manors as the vassals of the Count of Salisbury (Earl is a Saxon equivalent of the Count). Thus, as far as the PKs are concerned, their manors, to them, are demesne manors: they are holding the land directly, not via another vassal knight. However, as far as the Count is concerned, they are enfeoffed manors: he has given them to vassal knights to hold rather than keep the land for himself.
In either case, the liege accrues Glory from both demesne and enfeoffed manors.
Book of the Manor got these definitions wrong, by the way: a demesne manor still has to provide a knight, too. It is errataed here: http://nocturnalmediaforum.com/iecarus/forum/showthread.php?2296-Demesne-and-enfeoffed-definitions .