jmberry
09-27-2016, 07:33 PM
So I was thinking about Arthur's sons lately, as I wanted to modify my upcoming campaign to include Gwydre as a fourth bastard, with the three main points being:
-He was conceived when Arthur was still a squire unaware of his heritage, being born just before the fateful First Tournament (his mother is an Irishwoman named Aillean Grey-Hem);
-Because of this, he becomes Arthur's personal favorite, reminding him of simpler times, and as such comes close to being recognized as heir, however;
-He dies during the hunt for the Troit Boar
Thinking about this, however, has made me have to deal with something that's always rubbed me the wrong way - Borre and Loholt co-exisiting. It's generally well-accepted that Malory's Borre is the same person as Wolfram's Loholt, and this shows in the GPC: They have similar names, their mothers have nearly the same names (in fact, the GPC calls Sanam's daughter/Borre's mother Lyzianor when she shows up, only to call her Lyanors in Borre's biography and give the name Lyzianor to Loholt's mother!), and they're born in the same year. I'm wondering how to deal with this, since it's grown into a bugbear upon my back. I've narrowed down a few options:
-Ignore it. The easy answer, admittedly, but I find it unsatisfying.
-Remove Borre. Arthur has three sons; Gwydre (son of Aillean), Loholt (son of Lyzianor of Bedegraine), and Mordred. All three suffer the fates they have in the GPC or, in Gwydre's case, the Mabinogion. This has the added advantage of removing Borre's rather lackluster death. The disadvantage is it removes a character from Malory
-Remove Loholt. Arthur has three sons; Gwydre (son of Aillean), Borre (son of Lyzianor of Bedegraine), and Mordred. All three suffer the fates they have in the GPC or, in Gwydre's case, the Mabinogion. This has the advantage of removing a dark episode of Kay's story, but, again, Borre's fate leaves much to be desired.
-Change Loholt's name to Llacheu (his Welsh counterpart).This has the advantage of removing my main grievances, but people associate Loholt with Logrin and Kay more and Llacheu is going to be murder to pronounce for non-Welsh
I was wondering what other people think and if they've ever experienced similar problems
-He was conceived when Arthur was still a squire unaware of his heritage, being born just before the fateful First Tournament (his mother is an Irishwoman named Aillean Grey-Hem);
-Because of this, he becomes Arthur's personal favorite, reminding him of simpler times, and as such comes close to being recognized as heir, however;
-He dies during the hunt for the Troit Boar
Thinking about this, however, has made me have to deal with something that's always rubbed me the wrong way - Borre and Loholt co-exisiting. It's generally well-accepted that Malory's Borre is the same person as Wolfram's Loholt, and this shows in the GPC: They have similar names, their mothers have nearly the same names (in fact, the GPC calls Sanam's daughter/Borre's mother Lyzianor when she shows up, only to call her Lyanors in Borre's biography and give the name Lyzianor to Loholt's mother!), and they're born in the same year. I'm wondering how to deal with this, since it's grown into a bugbear upon my back. I've narrowed down a few options:
-Ignore it. The easy answer, admittedly, but I find it unsatisfying.
-Remove Borre. Arthur has three sons; Gwydre (son of Aillean), Loholt (son of Lyzianor of Bedegraine), and Mordred. All three suffer the fates they have in the GPC or, in Gwydre's case, the Mabinogion. This has the added advantage of removing Borre's rather lackluster death. The disadvantage is it removes a character from Malory
-Remove Loholt. Arthur has three sons; Gwydre (son of Aillean), Borre (son of Lyzianor of Bedegraine), and Mordred. All three suffer the fates they have in the GPC or, in Gwydre's case, the Mabinogion. This has the advantage of removing a dark episode of Kay's story, but, again, Borre's fate leaves much to be desired.
-Change Loholt's name to Llacheu (his Welsh counterpart).This has the advantage of removing my main grievances, but people associate Loholt with Logrin and Kay more and Llacheu is going to be murder to pronounce for non-Welsh
I was wondering what other people think and if they've ever experienced similar problems