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dwarinpt
11-30-2016, 01:34 AM
Quoting the GPC, p. 192:

"The new Count of Silchester claims that the High King is infringing upon his rights. He claims that he should be awarded his father’s honors (even though most of them were lifetime gifts, not permanent grants)."

I'm looking to expand this to a more rounded military campaign. I know there's another thread floating around (I'll read it to get a few more ideas), but I need some help defining what Ulfius's Honors are that Uffo is being denied by Arthur. This should provide the players with a bit more context when they get involved. Also, since Ulfius was a Duke, shouldn't Uffo also be a Duke (is this an error)?

In the same page, Griflet says (under News): "Most of the lands of Ulfius and his men have already been attained. We shall enrich the king this season. It might be a good chance for the landless to fight hard for some holdings.”

What does he mean by "...the lands have already been attained?"

Perhaps Greg himself can provide a few pointers. :-)

Morien
11-30-2016, 02:06 AM
Are you referring to this thread that I started?
http://nocturnalmediaforum.com/iecarus/forum/showthread.php?2266-Silchester-Rebelion-of-523-Expanded&p=19065&viewfull=1#post19065

Ulfius' honors are listed in Book of the Warlord. I think it is implied there that there is a chance of a misunderstanding in the Baron of Buck and Stone. However, I think the bigger issue may be that most of the stuff that Ulfius holds in BotW is actually not inherited by him, but given to him by his good pal, Uther. Additionally, during the Anarchy, I can easily see Uther pretty much gobbling up everything within Silchester as his personal realm, and Arthur doesn't have the time nor the will during the Boy King Period to do much about it; Ulfius, after all, is a valuable ally, general & advisor, and the closest friend to Arthur's father. But after the death of Ulfius, he starts cleaning house, restoring those lands to their rightful owners, and diminishing Uffo's perceived inheritance thereby?

As for the Duke title, it can easily be that the Duke is a gifted title, only for the life of the current holder (even though in many cases, it seems to be inherited). Indeed, Ulfius' charter speaks only of the King's generous hand with that title.

Given the context of the Griflet quote, I am wondering if it is not a typo, and it should be 'attainTed', i.e. subject to an attainder, a forfeiture of lands that was commonly directed towards traitors and rebels. In short, the lands that Uffo and his supporters, the rebels, held are now forfeited by law back to the King, and those who distinguish themselves might very well find the King generous with those lands afterwards.

Edit: The other option is that it means that the lands are already conquered from the Rebels.

Greg Stafford
12-01-2016, 07:29 PM
Morien called it
Most of Duke Ulfius' holdings were gifts, including the title of duke
His sons, however, feel that Uffo deserves everything his father had
King Arthur disagrees

And yes, "attainted" would be correct

dwarinpt
12-01-2016, 09:29 PM
Morien called it
Most of Duke Ulfius' holdings were gifts, including the title of duke
His sons, however, feel that Uffo deserves everything his father had
King Arthur disagrees

And yes, "attainted" would be correct

Does that mean most of Silchester goes back to Arthur after the Rebellion?

Morien
12-01-2016, 09:42 PM
Does that mean most of Silchester goes back to Arthur after the Rebellion?

Actually, as soon as Ulfius dies, all of his holdings are taken over by Arthur, for reassessment. Since most of them are gifts, they would not be inherited by Uffo in the first place.

Uffo and other rebels take over those lands illegally, they are reconquered by Griflet, and in addition the rebels' legally inherited lands are attainted and forfeited to the King.

(One thing to keep in mind, though... GPC predates BotW by a decade or so. In GPC, the lords are regional warlords. In BotW, a more legalistic framework is in play, drawing on Norman England, where the holdings were scattered around England by William the Conqueror exactly to make rebelling harder. He had seen first-hand how easy it was for a regional duke of, say, Normandy, to stand up to the King of France...)