"I hope you enjoy using the Über-map — and the forty-odd maps it helped spawn — half as much as I enjoyed making it." - Malcom Wolter

Well it turns out the map is not actually with the pack! Is there any chance to actually get the hand on the Über-map? I was under the impression that it was included in the Map Folio, but I'm guessing not! I bought the pack of course, and it's very nice!

But as I like doing my own campaign maps it would be nice to be able to get some zooooomy details to use as reference.

On a related note:
Do you know or have access to an svg-map of the counties? What was your reference?

Thanks, for the questions on the Map Folio, Gilmere, and thanks for buying it!

Alas, no, the actual Über-map is in no way transportable — at least the source files aren't, as they're huge and take a monster of a machine just to manipulate at all. Also, no county is as completely realized as Salisbury, for obvious reasons.
"I hope you enjoy using the Über-map is indeed an unfortunate turn of phrase. It did not occur to me at the time I wrote it that it could be taken to mean the actual source map was included, but I can certainly see now, in hindsight, how one could have that impression. Hrm...I may need to amend that bit in the preview. My apologies for any inconvenience. My bad.

We may indeed offer the Über-map in the future. But, honestly, it so flippin' huge I'm concerned people would have a hard time navigating it, even as a flat file. Lots and lots of scrolling and zooming just to get around in it.

If we ever do offer it — we'll no doubt offer a discount for those who bought the Map Folio.

Other things I'm mulling is colorized versions of the maps.

To answer your other questions:

1.) Unfortunately, I don't have an SVG of the counties, or anything else on the Über-map. Although that would be great, the Über-map is too complex to be rendered as vector art — or is beyond my meager Adobe Illustrator skills to pull-off convincingly. And again — the geometry would be staggering.

2.) Sources are many and varied, as mentioned in the Designer's Notes. Greg's sketches are the primary source, early experiments by David Zeeman also informed the work in the planning stage, probably a dozen online maps, essays from historians (especially for the ancient coastline), maps of hundreds and parishes, an Ordnance Survey map for the Roman roads, a selection of 17th and 19th century maps for style. So many maps...

Best,


T.

I've started a seperate thread in player aids to show of what I am working on with SVG.
http://nocturnalmediaforum.com/iecarus/forum/showthread.php?2930-SVG-map

If there's any possibility of just getting a screenshot or vector of the county/country outlines that would help a lot. I might be able to get a simple svg up and running that I can share to the community. But I understand if you rather keep it!

"I hope you enjoy using the Über-map — and the forty-odd maps it helped spawn — half as much as I enjoyed making it." - Malcom Wolter

Well it turns out the map is not actually with the pack! Is there any chance to actually get the hand on the Über-map? I was under the impression that it was included in the Map Folio, but I'm guessing not!

I bought it thinking the same thing. The maps are indeed nice, and I do truly appreciate the work that went into them, but did expect an actual Über-map would be included.

I bought it thinking the same thing. The maps are indeed nice, and I do truly appreciate the work that went into them, but did expect an actual Über-map would be included.

What would be nice I think is one big overview Britain-map. With all countries (perhaps logres counties). It doesn't need castles and all individual locations. Just a big overview. Something like this: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/kingarthurpendragon/images/6/67/Logres_Map_485.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120130225113
(but for all of Britain)

I often find myself a bit clueless of all the names of places, kings, counties and similar. I LOVE the new maps, I really do. I'd just like some sort of overviewmap of regions I think.

Oh, dear. I seem to have blundered in my word-choice. You guys are right, and I think I'll have to amend the text in the Preview. Will try to get that done and resubmitted tomorrow.

Gilmere, thanks for your requests. Does the Uther Political map not meet your need for an overview map? It doesn't show counties, but the challenge there is scale — making the individuals labels large enough to be read.

Best,


T.

Gilmere, thanks for your requests. Does the Uther Political map not meet your need for an overview map? It doesn't show counties, but the challenge there is scale — making the individuals labels large enough to be read.T.

Well, yes and no. :)

I think what I am missing is the borders even if I'm aware that they would be somewhat flimsy borders in real life. I think it'd be nice to get a "sense" of where the borders lie.

Maybe someething like this (ignore the colors, just trying to describe):
http://county-wise.abcounties.com/files/2013/06/The-Counties.png
But with the larger countries marked out with thicker border or something similar.

A few suggested complementary maps:
* A large british map, like described above. With all major borders and county/country names.
* A Logres map with ONLY counties and their names and borders. A cleaned up and minimalist version?
* A Sarum map (I guess for Book of Salisbury?)
* An updated map of "The Rock" (I guess for Book of Salisbury?)

Full disclosure:
I intend to use the information from the maps to create large SVG maps of my own, one of the reasons borders are important to me. I'll use it to dynamically add and change maps through history.

Well, yes and no. :)

I think what I am missing is the borders even if I'm aware that they would be somewhat flimsy borders in real life. I think it'd be nice to get a "sense" of where the borders lie.

Ah, I see. Yeah, kingdom borders are probably the only "foundational" element that have not yet been laid in on the Über-map. I may do that at some point, but they are somewhat fluid as you say, and I didn't have an updated source map for these (beyong what's in the GPC). I seem to remember asking Greg about them, and him not thinking it was important for the map referenced above.

So, no — I'm not able to show kingdom borders at this time. That's not to say I won't be able to in future spawns from the Über-map — but I don't have any new map projects underway at this very moment, and so cannot offer a timetable for delivery.

Full disclosure:

I intend to use the information from the maps to create large SVG maps of my own, one of the reasons borders are important to me. I'll use it to dynamically add and change maps through history.

I'd love to have vector based maps too, and when I set out on my Über-map journey I seriously considered going that way. But, alas, I didn't think I could accomplish what I wanted to accomplish in the time I had to accomplish it working in that mode. Good luck on your journey.


Best,


T.

Quick comments, since you've already addressed the miscommunication (I also was excited, until reading closely and determining I had everything in the other supplements).

Obviously you need a new book project! :)

The most helpful items would be a book displaying the other county maps at the same level of detail as Salisbury has--but NOT making the effort to detail out individual holdings and the like. So: hundred names, borders, major and minor (especially minor) roads, significant settlements and the like. My own approach is to research extensively so I can get names of places "somewhat right", maintain the feel and etc. It's frustrating to see the BotE maps with these beautiful estates and then the maps have edges....

--Khanwulf

I can try to post the hundred maps that I have for each county on my site
They do not have any geographic features
and it'd take a quite to do so
but I am not trying to keep them secret--they are just very crude

Quick comments, since you've already addressed the miscommunication (I also was excited, until reading closely and determining I had everything in the other supplements).

Yes, very sorry about that.


Obviously you need a new book project! :)

Thanks for the encouraging words. Alas, I don't think that's in the cards (at least there's nothing on the table, as I alluded to in an earlier post).


The most helpful items would be a book displaying the other county maps at the same level of detail as Salisbury has--but NOT making the effort to detail out individual holdings and the like. So: hundred names, borders, major and minor (especially minor) roads, significant settlements and the like. My own approach is to research extensively so I can get names of places "somewhat right", maintain the feel and etc. It's frustrating to see the BotE maps with these beautiful estates and then the maps have edges....

Aye, that was my master plan, but you know what they say about best-laid plans. I hope to revisit the Über-map someday, but I have too many other irons in the fire just now. Besides, after spending the better part of three years working on this beast, I needed a break!


Best,


T.

Aye, that was my master plan, but you know what they say about best-laid plans. I hope to revisit the Über-map someday, but I have too many other irons in the fire just now. Besides, after spending the better part of three years working on this beast, I needed a break!


Certainly understood, and I'm glad you were able to put out the map book. All that work on the Über-map represents a ripe field, so I hope the other commitments of your Earldom permit you to return and harvest.

Likewise, Greg: your site is very useful and even crude maps have been helpful for orientation and understanding how the limited historical knowledge blends into KAP. (I'm thinking specifically now about the Humber maps as an example of this.)

--Khanwulf

I also just bought the map folio, and I was wondering if it would at all be possible to include blank versions of some standard maps as part of the package. In our game, for example, we made extensive visits to the Forest Sauvage during the Anarchy. It would have been great if I could simply have printed out a blank map to mark the entrance points.

Finally, I noticed that Spearshaft in Dorsette is still present in the maps. If I remember correctly, though, it had been removed in the errata of BoW. Would it be possible to also then remove it from the folio, since it's a newer publication? Or does the town exist after all?

Cheers,
Fred

I also just bought the map folio, and I was wondering if it would at all be possible to include blank versions of some standard maps as part of the package. In our game, for example, we made extensive visits to the Forest Sauvage during the Anarchy. It would have been great if I could simply have printed out a blank map to mark the entrance points.

Alas, I try to never say "never", but that's unlikely to happen — at least anytime soon.


Finally, I noticed that Spearshaft in Dorsette is still present in the maps. If I remember correctly, though, it had been removed in the errata of BoW. Would it be possible to also then remove it from the folio, since it's a newer publication? Or does the town exist after all?

Cheers,
Fred

Let me investigate. If that's true (I don't recall that particular change), I might be able to work something out.

Thanks for interest and support!


Best,


T.

Let me investigate. If that's true (I don't recall that particular change), I might be able to work something out.

I think I might be in the wrong here regarding Spearshaft. It's been removed from my own Campaign, based on this post here:
http://nocturnalmediaforum.com/iecarus/forum/showthread.php?2538-Pendragon-Naming-System-Eratta&highlight=spearshaft

But these errata don't seem to be official ones. Sorry about the confusion.