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merlyn
07-20-2017, 03:06 PM
Last year, I bought a copy of "The Romance of Perceval in Prose" (also known as the Didot Perceval) at a used book sale. (It was translated into English by Dell Skeels for University of Washington Press, and published in 1966.) It's an early take on Perceval and the Grail (after Chretien de Troyes, but presumably before the Vulgate Cycle - and apparently an attempt to conclude the Robert de Boron trilogy which began with "Joseph of Arimathea" and "Merlin").

It has two noteworthy features. The first, which I'd learned of even before I discovered this copy, is Merlin's departure. He doesn't disappear until after Arthur's final battle; once Arthur has been taken away to Avalon, Merlin gives a report to Blaise and Perceval (the latter now ruling at the Grail Castle as the new Fisher King), then announces that he must withdraw to a place known only as his "esplumoir" (there's been much debate among Arthurian scholars as to exactly what it is), at God's wish. A much later departure than the familiar Nimue version (and I confess that I like this take on the timing of Merlin's removal better and think it a pity that it didn't become the norm).

The second feature I did not learn about until I read the book. After the Grail is achieved, the "adventures" of Arthur's kingdom end. Arthur's knights, disappointed at having no more adventures to embark upon, plan to leave Britain for somewhere else (presumably a land where there are still adventures to be found). Kay learns of this and, alarmed, tells Arthur. To keep his knights on, Arthur decides to conquer Gaul, so that they'll have a war with much fighting to occupy them, leading into the wars abroad from Geoffrey of Monmouth, culminating in the Roman war with Lucius and Mordred's rebellion. This feels almost like the first hint of the concept that would reach its full flowering in T. H. White, that Arthur's kingdom would end (or at least, enter its final days) when the knights had run out of adventures.

These two elements alone make this book worth seeking out, if you can locate a copy.

Khanwulf
07-20-2017, 10:23 PM
Interesting. That would quite a reordering of the timeline to have the Roman war after the grail quest, but it would not be hard to have Merlin "around-ish" until after Camlann. He spent long periods of time off doing whatever even when the king would have preferred to have him advising, so no stretch there. Would change the interaction with Nimue slightly, however.

Neat find.

--Khanwulf

Greg Stafford
07-21-2017, 12:10 AM
Yes, wonderful read
Several lesser-known versions of the epic are known which, like this, provide a different view of things
I find it exciting to think of the hundreds, thousands probably, of Arthurian stories that are entirely lost
The problem for me was to decide what was in and what was out, and create a definitive view for publication
Sometimes I just took an adventure or two from a source
In fact, I still do
But these just go to show how much YPWV

merlyn
07-21-2017, 02:26 AM
Interesting. That would quite a reordering of the timeline to have the Roman war after the grail quest, but it would not be hard to have Merlin "around-ish" until after Camlann. He spent long periods of time off doing whatever even when the king would have preferred to have him advising, so no stretch there. Would change the interaction with Nimue slightly, however.

Neat find.

--Khanwulf

Originally (in Geoffrey of Monmouth) the Roman war was at the end of Arthur's reign, with that being when Mordred rebelled. (Even in the Vulgate Cycle, with the more familiar war with Lancelot, the Romans attack Arthur in Gaul after Lancelot and Gawain's duel, in an opportunistic manner.) It was Malory who put the Roman war near the beginning.

But it would certainly require some modifications to the Great Pendragon Campaign, I agree.

Khanwulf
07-21-2017, 09:53 PM
Originally (in Geoffrey of Monmouth) the Roman war was at the end of Arthur's reign, with that being when Mordred rebelled. (Even in the Vulgate Cycle, with the more familiar war with Lancelot, the Romans attack Arthur in Gaul after Lancelot and Gawain's duel, in an opportunistic manner.) It was Malory who put the Roman war near the beginning.

But it would certainly require some modifications to the Great Pendragon Campaign, I agree.

Yes, and apparently Geoffrey had Arthur conquering Gaul earlier, along with a side trip to Norway and Denmark (http://www.facesofarthur.org.uk/fabio/book8.5.htm), that I've been trying (not very hard) to figure out how to integrate.

Now, mixing multiple sources for Arthurian timelines into the GPC, let alone scholarly historical critique, is fraught with peril on a good day. I'm not committed to doing so, but I will later take a look at the impact on the years.... Could be interesting.

--Khanwulf