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Gideon13
10-31-2009, 04:13 PM
In the Book of Knights and Ladies, page 40, one possible Father’s Rank for Urban knights (e.g. from Sarum) is “Urban Officer”.

They are not mentioned in the Starting Class table (p.41, Table 19). I assumed that they are Equites except that their Father’s Class benefit (p.59) is the appropriate skill bonus instead of the extra funds that Aristocratic Equites get. Correct or not?

Also, the Starting Class table (p. 41) doesn’t say whether the heirs of Equites or Urban Officers are Vassals, Household Knights, or whatever. I assumed that they would be Vassal Knights, possibly with an urban villa within the walls instead of a manor. Correct or not?

Thank you very much.

silburnl
11-04-2009, 03:55 PM
In the Book of Knights and Ladies, page 40, one possible Father’s Rank for Urban knights (e.g. from Sarum) is “Urban Officer”.

They are not mentioned in the Starting Class table (p.41, Table 19). I assumed that they are Equites except that their Father’s Class benefit (p.59) is the appropriate skill bonus instead of the extra funds that Aristocratic Equites get. Correct or not?

Not correct. See the exception noted in the 'Urban Societies' paragraph (p41, left column near the bottom):

"...all newly made knights from urban societies (except the sons of urban equites...) begin as household knights"



Also, the Starting Class table (p. 41) doesn’t say whether the heirs of Equites or Urban Officers are Vassals, Household Knights, or whatever. I assumed that they would be Vassal Knights, possibly with an urban villa within the walls instead of a manor. Correct or not?

Not relevant for Urban Officers (see previous) - for Equites, the table entry appears to be incomplete. Looking at the entry for Freeholding Equite I would go with Vassal Knight. If the character's liege lord (p35) is 'Equites of an Aristocratic Family' then they'll have a manor derived from their family's holdings (which could be in town, but more likely is an estate in the nearby countryside) - if it's one of the other possibilities, then they have done homage for a manor outside of their ancestral holding (in this case I would say that the character's clan has a surplus of knight candidates compared to their estates and he has been placed somewhere he can be of use to the clan).

Regards
Luke

Gideon13
11-06-2009, 03:00 AM
That makes sense. Thank you very much!