I'm a bit confused over the Lust/Amor of Ygraine (GPC, pg 50, year 490).

Her breathtaking beauty causes all knights present to make a Trait (Lustful) roll.

A success gets the trait of Lust (Ygraine). Thus, lustful knights will probably end-up focusing on her...no confusion so far.

A failure on this roll causes them to make yet another Trait roll. This time on the (Chaste) side of the same Trait pair. This is the confusing part, as I assumed if they didn't succeed at being lustful they were automatically assumed to be chaste.

If this second roll (Chaste) is successful, he gains an Amor (Ygraine) passion. Why would you gain an Amor passion if you succeed at being Chaste? The Chaste knight is modest and virginal. Why would you suddenly fall in love if you were successful in a Chaste roll?

This problem is also amplified by the fact that we are 5 years into the campaign and most player knights have wives. Do these chaste men suddenly love another (even after succeeding in their chaste rolls)?

So, if I am reading this correctly, you want to fail both your Lustful and Chaste rolls to avoid these new (and possibly deterimental) passions? Correct?

These rolls are just made to determine which passion (if any) is gained.

Just because you fail a lustful roll doesn't mean you automatically pass a chaste roll. If you fumble a lustfull roll, then the chaste is automatically passed.

It seems to me that if they fail both, the player would either a) choose which trait he wants the character to act in and thus recieves the appropriate passion (not sure about the passion part) or b) choose which trait he wants the character to act in but does not recieve any passion (this one seems to make the most sense to me).

The difference here is the difference between the Lust and Amor passions. Lust is self-explainatory. Amor is a different type of love. While they do love another woman, it's not the same type of love where they want to sleep with Ygraine.

Whether or not you want to fail both depends on the character, the passions could be powerful or detrimental to a character, but they could definitly provide with some great opportunities for roleplaying or use by the GM.

I hope that this helps. I'm sure others with more experience will correct anything that I have gotten wrong.

In order to not be effected by Ygraine the Knight must fail the Lustful roll and then fail the Chaste roll. She is so hot the PC knights have to face double jepoardy
Example:
Lustful 10
Chaste 10

Roll 1: Lustful
under ten: Gains the Lustful (Ygraine)
over ten : Must make a Chaste Roll

Roll2: Chaste:
under ten: Gains the Amor:Ygraine buy the number he succeeded by.
over ten: Character thinks she is hot, but doesnt modify his behavior

Or at least this is how I am reading it.

Or at least this is how I am reading it.

I agree with you Sir Thomas, that is how I read it as well.
I'm just wondering if perhaps there was a mistake (editing)?

How I would play this:
Roll vs. Lustful. Success = gain Lustful (Ygraine). Failure = roll vs. Chaste.

If this Chaste roll is successful, you have resisted any kind of temptation. No passions gained. If you fail this Chaste roll, you gain the Amor (Ygraine) passion.

This way, players with a high Chaste trait will be more likely to avoid such temptations (as a player would expect). Otherwise, you would get just the opposite effect (if you play this as written in the adventure).

In fact, this is the normal procedure for personality traits. See p. 67 of the rulesbook. How to handle a failed at a trait roll is described at the bottom right on the page. Though I suggest readinging the etire section entitled Using Traits.

In fact, this is the normal procedure for personality traits. See p. 67 of the rulesbook. How to handle a failed at a trait roll is described at the bottom right on the page. Though I suggest readinging the etire section entitled Using Traits.


I agree with you Peter. The normal procedure for a failed trait roll is to roll the opposite trait, and a success on that opposite trait roll forces a player to act in that manner.

That is the normal procedure for standard "black/white" decisions (there is a good example of this on pg. 68, in which a character rolls to determine if he will be Cruel or Merciful). This is not the case with Lady Ygraine: it is not as simple as "you fall in love" or "you don't". This situation is more like "black/gray": fall in lust or fall in love (amor). Relating it back to the pg. 68 example would be like saying you can be a little cruel or a lot cruel. There was really no Caste option for Ygraine. Thus all of our confusion over the resolution...

Banesfinger, if I'm correct, you're asking why succeeding in Chaste gives an Amor? Take a look at p.168-9 of the KAP5 Core Rulebook. The first sentence says that the Amor passion must remain "chaste." So, an Amor is a purely chaste and courtly love, as opposed to a (sexually) consummated relationship.