Historically, there were two cornwalls: the one who standed in the south- west penninsula of the isle of Britain and an another one who standed in Pen ar Bed, the actual Finist?re county in Brittany.

At this point, everythings looking all right but very often, the different writers of the myth are not helping us well to define where we are exactly. For example, we know that Marc'h governed both cornwalls but, for the part who standed in Brittany, the authors also tell us that is was also governed by the duke Ho?l (and even sometimes kings, like Gradlon Mawr).
As you can see, it's a great confusion, but it becomes even more when we learn that Cador, and Constantin after him, are Duke of Cornwall and, at the same time, we have Marc'h as king of Cornawalls. But in which Cornwall are we at each time?

If we use only "historical" datas of the fifth and sixth century, it is very easy to know where standed each Cornwall: the part in Brittany is still the same in Finisterre, the realm of Cornwall lied in the Kernow penninsula and the duchy is in reality the Dumnonia ner dorchester.
I will just say that i don't take care of the dumnonia standing in Tregor in Brittany (it is already very confusing, no need to give it even more).

So, now I will get back to Pendragon RPG. We know that Mark is ruling Cornwall and we also know where his fiefs are located without any problems. For Cador/Constantin, we know.... Nothing. If we're thinking of Dumnonia, which corresponds to Dorset and Jagent, it is governed by Counts who are actually not vassals of the duke of Cornwall (as written in Knight Adventurous).
Where is the duchy of Cornwall?

The GPC actually answers this question. The Duchy of Cornwall was the area of Logres adjoining Cornwall, and actually including several regions of it, and Dorset and Jagent were both vassals of the Duke. However, when Uther declared Duke Gorlois a traitor (for not allowing Uther to sleep with his wife Ygraine) he had the title of Duke of Cornwall abolished, so presumably it was from that point on that those areas of Logres became independent.

King Idres, Mark's father, conquered Tintagel and Devon during the Anarchy period, resulting in the Cornwall shown on most versions of the Pendragon campaign map.

Thanks for this answer, but we can deduce that the title was re- established due to cador/constantin wearing this title. So, are they wearing an honorific title or a real title with lands granted also?

Historically, there were two cornwalls: the one who standed in the south- west penninsula of the isle of Britain and an another one who standed in Pen ar Bed, the actual Finist?re county in Brittany.

In KAP, the latter is called Cornouailles.


At this point, everythings looking all right but very often, the different writers of the myth are not helping us well to define where we are exactly. For example, we know that Marc'h governed both cornwalls but, for the part who standed in Brittany, the authors also tell us that is was also governed by the duke Ho?l (and even sometimes kings, like Gradlon Mawr).
As you can see, it's a great confusion, but it becomes even more when we learn that Cador, and Constantin after him, are Duke of Cornwall and, at the same time, we have Marc'h as king of Cornawalls. But in which Cornwall are we at each time?


You have pointed to an interesting problem. In fact, several/many places in Brittainy are named after places in Cornwall. During the troubles of the 5th and 6th century Amorica (Brittainy) was severely depopulated, and people from Cornwall moved there en masse.


If we use only "historical" datas of the fifth and sixth century, it is very easy to know where standed each Cornwall: the part in Brittany is still the same in Finisterre, the realm of Cornwall lied in the Kernow penninsula and the duchy is in reality the Dumnonia ner dorchester.
I will just say that i don't take care of the dumnonia standing in Tregor in Brittany (it is already very confusing, no need to give it even more).

So, now I will get back to Pendragon RPG. We know that Mark is ruling Cornwall and we also know where his fiefs are located without any problems. For Cador/Constantin, we know.... Nothing. If we're thinking of Dumnonia, which corresponds to Dorset and Jagent, it is governed by Counts who are actually not vassals of the duke of Cornwall (as written in Knight Adventurous).
Where is the duchy of Cornwall?


As pointed out by Tantalvist, below, this is answered in GPC.

Cornwall is the area in SW Britain, and it sometimes has both a king and duke at the same time, but of different parts. The duke is (or rather, is supposed to be) loyal to the King of Logres, while the King of Cornwall is not.

Also, note that the Kings of Cornwall are also the over-kings in most of Brittany. This explains, in part, the reason that Mark is the formidable force that he seems to be in the literature, rather than a rebellious petty king of a tiny poor kingdom holding off the might of the World's Mightiest King.

Also, please See http://weareallus.com/pendragon/leaders.html for "histories" of each of the provinces, to see how ownership of the provinces moved about.

Cador and Constantine of Cornwall may or may not have a significant connection to the land. The "of someplace" title sometimes bears weight, and often not. John of Guant, a famous kinsman of kings and ancestor of others, was born in Ghent, a city in Flanders, where John was born.

Despite that, in GPC (p 85) I make Sir Cador a Cornishman, who survives as a mercenary leader and makes peace with King Arthur. His son is Cador, who works his way through the Royal Household to be Chancellor at the later period, and then, the tragic post-Arthurian king.

--Greg

His son is Cador, who works his way through the Royal Household to be Chancellor at the later period, and then, the tragic post-Arthurian king.

--Greg


Shouldn't that be Constantine rather than Cador?

His son is Cador, who works his way through the Royal Household to be Chancellor at the later period, and then, the tragic post-Arthurian king.

--Greg


Shouldn't that be Constantine rather than Cador?

Oop, yes.