Extraordinary witness to the event: add 25 for a greater noble (earl, duke), 50 for a king or Round Table knight; 100 for your lord; 150 for the Pendragon or High Queen.


Do I get this correct,
if you win a jousting-bout during a tournament with your lord supervising, you gain ~100+X glory?
If you win a 'trial by combat' in the court of your lord you gain 100+X glory?
If you roll a successful 'Play lute' or flirting in the court of your lord you gain 100+10 glory?


How does this conflict with the below suggestion?


20 is awarded for performing before royalty, 40 for a critical success.

20 for performing before royalty, then with another 50 for performing in front of a king???



You get 100 Glory for:
* having a notable Amor passion for a year
* having a notable Love passion for a year


He, where did this notable Lova passion crawl in.. what are the rules for notable? Only 16+ or do you also have to do some task?

fg,
Thijs

What you are seeing here are multiple efforts to give the GM an idea of how to award Glory.





Extraordinary witness to the event: add 25 for a greater noble (earl, duke), 50 for a king or Round Table knight; 100 for your lord; 150 for the Pendragon or High Queen.


Do I get this correct,
if you win a jousting-bout during a tournament with your lord supervising, you gain ~100+X glory?
If you win a 'trial by combat' in the court of your lord you gain 100+X glory?
If you roll a successful 'Play lute' or flirting in the court of your lord you gain 100+10 glory?


I guess so, if yo interpret or accept this.

Myself, I don't use it anymore.



How does this conflict with the below suggestion?


20 is awarded for performing before royalty, 40 for a critical success.

20 for performing before royalty, then with another 50 for performing in front of a king???

Nah. excessive, I say.


You get 100 Glory for:
* having a notable Amor passion for a year

I do not like the way that the current Game rules work at all. I am working on something more suitable.
But firstly, one ought to never get more than 100 Glory a year for anytihng like this. hat means Chivalry too--I do not like how you get the 100 AND the glory for the stats.
Well, I'll sort it out.


* having a notable Love passion for a year

He, where did this notable Love passion crawl in.. what are the rules for notable? Only 16+ or do you also have to do some task?
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Where did you quote all this from?

--Greg

You get 100 Glory for:
* having a notable Amor passion for a year

I do not like the way that the current Game rules work at all. I am working on something more suitable.
But firstly, one ought to never get more than 100 Glory a year for anytihng like this. hat means Chivalry too--I do not like how you get the 100 AND the glory for the stats.
Well, I'll sort it out.


* having a notable Love passion for a year

He, where did this notable Love passion crawl in.. what are the rules for notable? Only 16+ or do you also have to do some task?

Where did you quote all this from?


All quoted from:
http://www.gspendragon.com/missingglory.html

fg,
Thijs

20 is awarded for performing before royalty, 40 for a critical success.

20 for performing before royalty, then with another 50 for performing in front of a king???

Nah. excessive, I say.

So how much glory should a knight get for a (non-important) successful 'Play Lute', Flirt or Dancing roll during a Court/Feast session in his liege lord (Earl Robert) presence? And how much for a critical?
Depending on interpretation 10/20? 15/30? 20/40? 35/45? 110/120? These numbers are just too different.

Personally I would like to reward players who do not solely focus on combat skills but also pick up some courtly skills, but handing out 100+ glory is too much for such a non-important activity. Even 35/45 Glory seems a lot. 10/20 glory you get for success without your lord present, so should be more. So 15/30 or 20/40, I would tend 15/30 if player prompted ("Can I play my lute") and 20/40 if GM-prompted, since it will be more appropiate ("And let there be dancing"). Though impressing your lord with some fancy "Orate" one evening will net you maybe more glory then winning a minor tournament.. so perhaps 50 glory might not be out of bounds here.. Perhaps 25/50 then?

What is the opinions of others and most important, Greg's?

fg,
Thijs

20 is awarded for performing before royalty, 40 for a critical success.

20 for performing before royalty, then with another 50 for performing in front of a king???

Nah. excessive, I say.

So how much glory should a knight get for a (non-important) successful 'Play Lute', Flirt or Dancing roll during a Court/Feast session in his liege lord (Earl Robert) presence? And how much for a critical?


I would say, it's trivial, so as per the table they get 1 glory point, if that. Even then I say 1 point only because, in my campaign at least, a knight successfully making a dancing, song, poetry, etc roll is itself exceptional. So anytime my knights don't embarrass themselves is a minor victory.

I would say, it's trivial, so as per the table they get 1 glory point, if that. Even then I say 1 point only because, in my campaign at least, a knight successfully making a dancing, song, poetry, etc roll is itself exceptional. So anytime my knights don't embarrass themselves is a minor victory.



I disagree, fumbling such a roll can have large consequences. Trivial for example is Singing while on the road with your fellow knights, no one cares if you succeed/fail/fumble as you are among friends. If you fumble while composing/performing a song for the Earl you can suffer his wrath (or worse, his wife), so such an attempt is not without risk and hence should be rewarded with glory.
Also by handing out only 1 glory for such skills tells your players that these skills dont matter and hence they dont take them and thus the rolls are never made..
[eg, the romance skills suffers from this, the skill is required for absolutely nothing... no glory, no impressing ladies (other skills must be used for that), no solo bonus (eg Courtesy is needed for some solos), hence I am looking forward to seeing Greg's new ideas on Romance]

fg,
Thijs

So how much glory should a knight get for a (non-important) successful 'Play Lute', Flirt or Dancing roll during a Court/Feast session in his liege lord (Earl Robert) presence? And how much for a critical?
Depending on interpretation 10/20? 15/30? 20/40? 35/45? 110/120? These numbers are just too different.


I'll say. When I tell the players, "Make an Entertainment roll," and they succeed at their lord's court, success = the skill value; critical = double that.




Personally I would like to reward players who do not solely focus on combat skills but also pick up some courtly skills,


Agreed.



So 15/30 or 20/40, I would tend 15/30 if player prompted ("Can I play my lute") and 20/40 if GM-prompted, since it will be more appropiate ("And let there be dancing"). Though impressing your lord with some fancy "Orate" one evening will net you maybe more glory then winning a minor tournament.. so perhaps 50 glory might not be out of bounds here.. Perhaps 25/50 then?


At the house of some lonely vavasour out in the middle of nowhere, I'd give less. Maybe none, just a check or not.

Before King Arthur, formally at court, success = skill x2, critical = skill x4. This is a really big deal, and not everyone gets to try.

When my player knights spend some time at Camelot they can roll all their courtly skills. This gets checks, but no glory. They are doing this in the outer courts, where dozens of everyone are doing the same things. No Glory, just doing it.

At a key moment in a scenario, when success reeeeealy matters, success = skill x2, critical = skill x4.




What is the opinions of others and most important, Greg's?



I do not wish my presence to discourage participation. I'm happy to dive in when something seems intractable, or when other wise heads do not reply. I know I'm sometimes incorrect, and am happy to accept the critical buffing that comes from keen discernment and knowledgable replies.

Replies welcome!
--Greg

So how much glory should a knight get for a (non-important) successful 'Play Lute', Flirt or Dancing roll during a Court/Feast session in his liege lord (Earl Robert) presence? And how much for a critical?
Depending on interpretation 10/20? 15/30? 20/40? 35/45? 110/120? These numbers are just too different.


I'll say. When I tell the players, "Make an Entertainment roll," and they succeed at their lord's court, success = the skill value; critical = double that.


So my player with Play Lute 30, will get 30/60 glory..
And if it really matters and he inspires himself to 40 or even 60, he gets 160 or even 240 glory?





So 15/30 or 20/40, I would tend 15/30 if player prompted ("Can I play my lute") and 20/40 if GM-prompted, since it will be more appropiate ("And let there be dancing"). Though impressing your lord with some fancy "Orate" one evening will net you maybe more glory then winning a minor tournament.. so perhaps 50 glory might not be out of bounds here.. Perhaps 25/50 then?


At the house of some lonely vavasour out in the middle of nowhere, I'd give less. Maybe none, just a check or not.


Intriguing, I tend to always hand out a little glory just for the effort (afterall a fumble can have negative effects), but find 240 glory a bit overkill..
[Houserule: If it makes it into the campaign-log and people do not make fun of it, it's worth glory]

fg,
Thijs

I'll say. When I tell the players, "Make an Entertainment roll," and they succeed at their lord's court, success = the skill value; critical = double that.


So my player with Play Lute 30, will get 30/60 glory..
And if it really matters and he inspires himself to 40 or even 60, he gets 160 or even 240 glory?

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I do not give Glory based on Inspired values, just the skill values.

--g

I do not give Glory based on Inspired values, just the skill values.


Just for clarity: so he would get 30/60 glory.. (60/120 if it really matters)?

fg,
Thijs

Just for clarity: so he would get 30/60 glory.. (60/120 if it really matters)?

Well, that depends on the circumstance of the roll/play, I'ld say. If, by his play lute, he gets to make/take/prevent/inspire or otherwise affects a major plot point, then he deserves it. But otherwise, just 15/30. At least, that's how I would rule this.

Louis

I do not give Glory based on Inspired values, just the skill values.


Just for clarity: so he would get 30/60 glory.. (60/120 if it really matters)?



30/60 for success/critical in a situation where he would deserve to collect Glory (ie, not playing all alone, or in a nameless vavasour's empty hall.)

--g