Hi Greg,

I got my copies of the Book of Battle and Book of Armies yesterday - very nice work! I'm looking forward to trying out the new rules when my Pendragon campaign resumes in a couple of weeks. I think my players will definitely enjoy all the new options.

On to my questions. Four of the maneuvers listed in Step 3: Unit Maneuver have some some discrepancies in their Unit Results that I've been unable to sort out.

Pursue

Table 10: Go After the Enemy (Book of Battle, p. 31) says under "UNIT RESULTS" that a pursuing unit moves forward 1 Zone on a Loss result. On the other hand, the Unit Results table for this maneuver (Book of Battle, p. 32) indicates that the pursuing unit remains in the same Zone and is Disengaged on a Loss result.

I assume that the unit is in fact Disengaged on a Loss result, but it's not clear what the correct Zone change should be.

Chase

Table 10: Go After the Enemy (Book of Battle, p. 31) says that Unit Results are not applicable for a chasing unit, since all knights are Alone. However, the detailed description for the Chase maneuver (Book of Battle, p. 32) actually gives a Unit Results table:

Triumph: No Intensity change (it's over). Move forward 3 Zones, but you are Disordered next round. Everyone gets checks to Reckless.
Win: Move forward 1 Zone.
Loss: Move forward 1 Zone; Disordered next round.
Crushed: +2 Intensity; recoil 1 Zone; Disengaged next round. You should be ashamed; check to Cowardly.

I don't know how to reconcile this - apply the Unit Results to the individual knights? Ignore them altogether?

Run Away!

Table 11: Pull Back (Book of Battle, p. 33) lists the following under "UNIT RESULTS":

Triumph: Move back 1 or 2 Zones
Win: Move back 1 Zone; Disordered & Disengaged
Loss: Recoil 1 Zone; Disordered & Disengaged
Crush: +2 Intensity; Broken

On the other hand, the Unit Results table for the Run Away! maneuver (Book of Battle, p. 34) lists the following:

Triumph: Unit moves back 1 or 2 Zones; -2 Intensity; Disordered and Disengaged.
Win: Unit moves back 1 Zone; Disengaged.
Loss: Unit recoils 1 Zone, Disordered and Disengaged next round.
Crush: Unit recoils 2 Zones; Broken next round; +2 Intensity.

There are enough differences between these two tables that I'm not sure what the correct results should be.

Rally Battalion

Table 15: Rally Battalion (Book of Battle, p. 40) lists the following under "UNIT RESULTS":

Triumph: -20 Intensity
Win: -10 Intensity
Loss: Recoil 2 Zones
Crush: +2 Intensity; Broken

On the other hand, the Unit Results table for the Rally Battalion maneuver (Book of Battle, p. 40) lists the following:

Triumph: -10 Intensity
Win: -5 Intensity
Loss: Recoil 1 Zone; Disordered next round
Crush: +2 Intensity; Recoil 2 Zones; Broken next round

Which set of results is correct?

Four of the maneuvers listed in Step 3: Unit Maneuver have some some discrepancies in their Unit Results that I've been unable to sort out.


:-[ Even after ALL the times we went over these. *sigh*

Pursue
Table 10: Go After the Enemy (Book of Battle, p. 31) is incorrect.
For Pursue, Unit Results Loss, it should say: No Movement, Disengaged
Page 32 is correct.

Chase
Table 10: Go After the Enemy (Book of Battle, p. 31) is correct
The description for the Chase maneuver (Book of Battle, p. 32) is wrong. Strike them all--there is no Unit. It breaks up to Chase.

Run Away!
Table 11: Pull Back (Book of Battle, p. 33) is almost right.
For Unit Loss: Loss should say "Recoil 1 Zone; Disordered and Engaged

On the other hand, the Unit Results table for the Run Away! maneuver (Book of Battle, p. 34) should say:

Triumph: Unit moves back 1 or 2 Zones; -2 Intensity; Disordered and Disengaged.
Win: Unit moves back 1 Zone; Disordered and Disengaged.
Loss: Unit recoils 1 Zone, Disordered and Disengaged next round.
Crush: Unit recoils 2 Zones; Broken next round; +2 Intensity.

Rally Battalion
Table 15: Rally Battalion (Book of Battle, p. 40)
and the description below it are in conflict.
The Table is correct.
The text is wrong.

Note on Broken
When a unit is broken it is not a unit, and so there is no unit result, and there is no unit Retreat. The individuals begin the next round where they began, unless the description says differently.

Thanks, Greg. That cleared things up.



:-[ Even after ALL the times we went over these. *sigh*


This sort of stuff tends to be an editing nightmare in my experience. :(

Overall, though, I'm very impressed with the new system.

I haven't checked the main site, but a humble request for you Greg: once these books have been out for a month or two, could you collect all this errata and put it on your site in one easy page for us to copy and print out?

I haven't checked the main site, but a humble request for you Greg: once these books have been out for a month or two, could you collect all this errata and put it on your site in one easy page for us to copy and print out?


Why wait?

http://gspendragon.com/erratabob.html
--Greg

Why, thank you!

Run Away!
Table 11: Pull Back (Book of Battle, p. 33) is almost right.
For Unit Loss: Loss should say "Recoil 1 Zone; Disordered and Engaged

On the other hand, the Unit Results table for the Run Away! maneuver (Book of Battle, p. 34) should say:

Triumph: Unit moves back 1 or 2 Zones; -2 Intensity; Disordered and Disengaged.
Win: Unit moves back 1 Zone; Disordered and Disengaged.
Loss: Unit recoils 1 Zone, Disordered and Disengaged next round.
Crush: Unit recoils 2 Zones; Broken next round; +2 Intensity.




Now page 33 and 34 are in contradiction, and above is different then what is written in errata.

Triumph: Unit moves back 1 or 2 Zones; Disengaged.
Win: Unit moves back 1 Zone; Disordered and Disengaged.
Loss: Unit recoils 1 Zone, Disordered and engaged next round.
Crush: Broken next round; +2 Intensity.

Is the final word?

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Triumph: Unit moves back 1 or 2 Zones; Disengaged.
Win: Unit moves back 1 Zone; Disordered and Disengaged.
Loss: Unit recoils 1 Zone, Disordered and engaged next round.
Crush: Broken next round; +2 Intensity.

Is the final word?


Yes.