So, I'm making a character, and I've found a perfect Passion for him.

Ambition. Greed (Power), if you must be pedestrian about it, but "Ambition" sounds so much more badass.

So the question is, can anyone think of any traits that it might be based on, like Love (deity) being based off of Pious, or Loyalty (Arthur) being based off ten stats? I can think of at least Worldly, Selfish (though if my beloved GM isn't reading this, I'll try to leave that out), and Love (Family) and Hate (Saxons) for his specific case; his grandfather and father dead by Saxon hands, he's grown up with a "never again" mentality (which will take power to enforce).

Any other traits I'm missing?

Proud & Prudent?

Most passions aren't based on a trait score - Pious is the exception. I don't know what you are referencing with Loyalty (Arthur) being based on ten stats. Most passions are simply rolls - the roll used to be 3d6, but since the Book of Knights & ladies, it;s more common to use 4d6+1

However, I have to say, as a GM, I wouldn't allow this passion. he list of pendragon passions is very specific: after the 4 core passions, you have Loyalties, Loves (of people and gods), Hate, and Fear. Most of the passions are used to get you bonuses when you are doing something that isn't sensible. They don't include many common human drives (like ambition), they are specifically things that are in-keeping with the medieval romances.

Ambition or Greed are not things which should be rewarded by passions.

Love (Power) on the other hand seems to be a much more rational passion, one which you can use to make your character dominate at the expense of other players. Whenever the players got into a contest or situation where winning would give one of them some kind of material benefit or favour from someone, I could see you asking to use this passion - which is not what passions are for. Other player's passions need a bit more work to get involved. Most of the other passions are highly personal - they have a person or group as the target, which makes their use situational, not universal.

On reflection, I would allow a player to have the Ambition passion, but only if they accepted it could never be used for Inspiration. It's more like Fear, a bse emotion that drives you to do shameful things, and can be useful in personality trait conflicts, but that's it.

Personally, if I was your GM, I'd recommend having a directed trait towards Selfish or Arbitrary.

Well, you could have a high Love-family that you and your GM interpret as an ambition passion, ie, the furthering of your family. Then you should have a high hate saxons, proud and vengeful, then you are set to go.

I'd be a lot more forgiving of that combo. Love Family is more grounded in the game world - there are npcs associated with it, so as with other passions, while the player can call on it for aid, he also has to deal with the npcs who also can invoke it for their benefit. :)

So, I'm making a character, and I've found a perfect Passion for him.

Ambition. Greed (Power), if you must be pedestrian about it, but "Ambition" sounds so much more badass.


Very common motivation.
I do not that you aree not treating it as a game Passions, which is correct.
Passions in KAP require a physical object, not an abstraction.



So the question is, can anyone think of any traits that it might be based on, like Love (deity) being based off of Pious, or Loyalty (Arthur) being based off ten stats?


What is "being based off of" here? A variant rule?
What is "based off ten stats?"




I can think of at least Worldly, Selfish (though if my beloved GM isn't reading this, I'll try to leave that out),


I cannot imagine having a greedy character without a high Selfish, GM or not.

Well, you could have a high Love-family that you and your GM interpret as an ambition passion, ie, the furthering of your family.


Why bother with the interpretation at all? This is simple Love Family.

Ambition, a motivation, is not a Passions by itself.
Greed/ Ambition is a Trait, not a Passion.

Now, I might allow a Passion for a specific Ambition:
Become Earl of Salisbury or some such.
But If I made that exception, I'd also reserve all kinds of exceptions to its use during play, non-specified beforehand.

Well, you could have a high Love-family that you and your GM interpret as an ambition passion, ie, the furthering of your family.


Why bother with the interpretation at all? This is simple Love Family.


Just to clarify. The "interpretation" was for Ramidel, so that he can get something similar to what he wants but still within the KAP system. But with the added caveat that he should talk to his GM about how Ramidel wanted to play his character. Something which a GM might have all kinds of thoughts about.

I allowed one of my players a Covet(Horses), which works like a Love(horses) but that sounded too bad, hence the Covet, since he was always trying to rescue horses, watch the horses, obsess about the horses... So I gave him permission to roll one up, that he used during a Horse Rescue mission (ok, sometimes I make it simple for them). But now I also have a handle to make him roll it whenever he encounters nice horses. I could also probably given him a Selfish directed trait, but that would have been harder to sell.... (especially since he is given some horses away, but only to the best/nicest owners).

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What is "being based off of" here? A variant rule?
What is "based off ten stats?"

http://www.gspendragon.com/roundtableknights.html mentions that Loyalty (Arthur) is based off an average of ten stats for Companions and Round Tablers.



I can think of at least Worldly, Selfish (though if my beloved GM isn't reading this, I'll try to leave that out),


I cannot imagine having a greedy character without a high Selfish, GM or not.[/quote]
Greed for power and generosity towards one's followers aren't necessarily antithetical. Though that might be a directed trait of "Generous towards my followers."

Anyway, thanks for the clarification on the Passion rules. So Love (Family), Hate (Saxons) (and a tendency to pick up hates all over hell due to...) Vengeful, Energetic, Selfish (maybe with a directed trait), Proud, Suspicious, Valorous. Sounds like a religion :) I'll probably need to make him Honest just to keep him from being dragged off to Hell, but that's fine; it fits with his Pride.

Thanks all. This guy is going to have some interesting times come the Arthurian period...