Well, I'm certainly stoked to hear that we will be getting KAP 5.1 in the near future as I've just gotten a group of people interested in playing the game, but was curious to know what Greg means by the "Waking the dragon" comment?

I'm also hopeful for a new GPC book sometime soon, though I can probably make do with the PDF copy of the regular 5th edition one as long as I have a printed main book to pass around the table. :)

I don't know exactly what he means, but I like it. Waking the Dragon

I think "waking the dragon" means helping to get Pendragon back on track after a period of slumber (ArtHaus-White Wolf & Peter Corless)

Yeah, baby! As soon as I can get my greedy little paws on a crisp, new hardbound of the GPC and Core Rules you can bet I'll be spending the cash. Likewise, I'm eager for a PDF version of the BoB, BoK&L (or equivalent) and BotM. I like the hard copy of all the rules for perusing on my cherished "night away from the computer"; but, the PDFs are by far the more heavily used copy of any game books that I have in PDF.

I've always wondered how people go about using PDFs of RPG books? I guess you must run the games from your home?

Not sure if the pub we play RPGs at has plugs for my laptop. . . .

I think having the core book in paper form is handy for character generation and for players to have a look at the rules during a game, while stuff like the advanced rules and Grand Pendragon Campaign works fine as a PDF (until I can get a paper copy of course!) as the players really shouldn't be looking at them anyway. ;)

I can't wait for a new printed copy of the GPC. I can't believe that I once had my hands on one (in Orc's Nest, London) and put it back down thinking I'd get it later. When later came it was gone.

I use PDFs for when I'm sat at my PC and need to access a rule for something. When I'm playing it's hard copy all the way.

Yeah, there's a single copy of an old Chaosium edition of Pendragon in my local store but it was reserved for someone else!

I'm definitely excited by the thought of being able to get myself a hard copy of a Pendragon book, presuming it's not as expensive as the £300+ ones on Amazon marketplace currently! ;)

If I might ask, why is only the first half of the BoKL being republished? Does this mean you're leaving out the continental cultures?

I've always wondered how people go about using PDFs of RPG books? I guess you must run the games from your home?


During game at the table top the PDF is sooooo much easier. The search ability and table of contents tend to get me to the rule in < 10 seconds regardless of the rule in question.

I first saw KAP5 and GPC in June 2006 in Wtaerstones Milton Keynes. I was visiting at the time. I picked up KAP and thought I'd pick up GPC another time.

After a comprehensive search on the internet and an appeal on RPG.net, someone said there was a copy in a shop in Austin, Texas. A phone call later, it was mine. That was June 2008.

Batteries might be a concern when running with PDF, but Pendragon is probably the only game line where I will continue to buy a paper books (and still buy the PDF, too). It's all digital for me otherwise. It helps that my game is online, but if I ever get the chance to run in my home again there will be copies of the book open on my 24-inch PC monitor for personal reference and the laptop gets hooked up to the TV so everyone can see relevant text/pictures.

PDF seems outdated for a highly referenced texts like we've got in RPGs, but I'll take what I can get. I'd love to see a model for Pendragon where where text is laced with hyperlinks, much like wikis do. I'd settle for a free wiki that doesn't have the rulebook integrated, but I would definitely pay for a subscription of some sort that implements actual KAP text and art.

When I first got a hardcopy of the GPC (May 2006?) in my hands I could just not put it away, because I was so fascinated (at that time I had no idea that THE BOY KING or any other Campaign book existed). It was expensive (shop in Berlin, Germany, prices $ = €) but suddenly there was only the book (and Arthur, the King ;)) in my mind. Felt in love with it and did not care about any cost (don't tell Greg ::))

Later, in September 2008, I saw one copy in Salem (Boston), MA. Can't remember the Name of the shop.

If I might ask, why is only the first half of the BoKL being republished? Does this mean you're leaving out the continental cultures?


It is called "Book of BRITONS". Could be the answer already.

Sorry for double posting!!!!

Maybe the plan is to have the Britons now, and continental characters later on - maybe making both books more affordable.

Well, I'm certainly stoked to hear that we will be getting KAP 5.1 in the near future as I've just gotten a group of people interested in playing the game, but was curious to know what Greg means by the "Waking the dragon" comment?


See the movie Excalibur, especially the scene where young Arthur is talking to Merlin about the sword, and he ol' man is talking about the dragon...



I'm also hopeful for a new GPC book sometime soon, though I can probably make do with the PDF copy of the regular 5th edition one as long as I have a printed main book to pass around the table. :)


I will be preparing the corrections on that very soon. It's on the list!

If I might ask, why is only the first half of the BoKL being republished? Does this mean you're leaving out the continental cultures?


I've cut it in two to make it more affordable, and also because not everyone wants both parts.

The European material will be put into smaller books about each of the continental Homelands.
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Well that's certailny exciting, I'm looking forward to getting my hands on some of these books! Any idea of what sort of prices they'll be?

PDF seems outdated for a highly referenced texts like we've got in RPGs, but I'll take what I can get. I'd love to see a model for Pendragon where where text is laced with hyperlinks, much like wikis do. I'd settle for a free wiki that doesn't have the rulebook integrated, but I would definitely pay for a subscription of some sort that implements actual KAP text and art.


Ah, Russ, you know not to whom you speak! :)

PDF can be quite heavily laced with hyperlinks both to internal references and external references. Its just that PDF authors rarely choose to use the functionality.

And I agree with you, Pendragon's atmosphere is such that I would buy the hardcopies for personal satisfaction even though I use the PDFs in the game. Interestingly, we often have a copy of the books on the table when we play; but, never use them.

Any idea of what sort of prices they'll be?


Nope, not my job anymore. :)
I do think that they will be less expensive than GSPendragon editions, as well as being more professional (color cover, etc.)

I'm looking forward to catching up with the 5th edition and all it's add-ons through the new Nocturnal 5.1 edition, especially the GPC, whether in one mighty tome or divided into two or three books, and all of the new material like the Book of Battles etc.

Didn't Merlin say shortly after his 'waking the dragon' comment that 'the dragon's breath is everywhere...'

Pendragon should always be in print and available. It's the single best RPG to come out of the entire hobby, in my humble opinion...though my judgment may be partial... :)