Hiya,


Well, couldn't find a "general" forum area, so figured I'd post in this one.

First off, I absolutely love the new cover (you could say the old one was simply a boar, har har har). Someone pointed out that he looks nonchalant, but I'm more concerned by the fact he appears to be reaching for the blade, not the hilt. (Visions of a teen boy with braces shouting, "Awesome! Now I can play Thundercats! Ow, my fingers!") --Sorry, couldn't resist.


Anywho, here are the questions:

1. Does Nocturnal have a website yet, or plans for one?

2. Will TGPC also be reprinted (and from what I've read in other posts, corrected, since some have spoken of various dates and ages being off)? WW's release was so limited, and so expensive (and so un-advertised, dangit) that very few people managed to hear about it or get a copy, myself included, and then those that had 'em decided to re-sell the beasties for ridiculous amounts.

3. Will any of the old, "classic" materials from Chaosium/Green Knight be reprinted and updated?

4. Will Greg's newer, self-published Pendragon books be added to the new catalog?

5. Do you think we'll ever be able to afford an annual Pendragon (RPG) convention, where we all show up in period garb and get totally dungfaced while listening to each other tell tall tales (ie. stuff our characters did)? Aw, c'mon. Please? ;)


To yer good health, sirs!

Weclome to the forum.

Good questions. I should probably leave this for Greg to answer, but a couple of your questions have already been answered on the forum.

1. Nocturnal website: good point. They don't seem to have a website yet, but the company is still new, and still starting up. I'm sure they'll get to the website once they are releasing new material. They are selling the old books in rpg form at drivethrurpg.com, at much more reasonable prices than WW ever had them.

2. Greg stated recently in another thread that the GPC is not on the current publishing schedule, but that he hopes it will be added at a later point.

3. Don't know. I guess it depends on who owns the copyrights of the various materials. Some or all of it could be available for use by Nocturnal, and if so, I'm sure we'll see a lot of it again if Nocturnal is successful, much like green Knight started reissueing material when they got the license.

4. Greg has already announced the Book of Britons, which is the expanded character design stuff from Book of Knights & ladies (without the foreign lands section). He also said when the Nocturnal license was first announced, that arrangements were being made for Nocturnal to deal with publishing them in the futiure. So it looks like the asnwer to that is definitely yes.

5. It's a shame, but I doubt it. Of course there are lots of renaissance faires and the like, where a Pendragon gathering would fit right in.

1. FYI: I noticed there is an AWESOME pack of old pendragon stuff at a very good price including 1e, 4e and basically all 4e modules on drivethrurpg. Lots of goodies for those of you who don't have them already (like me).

2. GPC should be the priority imo (with corrections).

4. I'm starting to really like some of the Book of Battle stuff in actual play, so I hope it gets a review and republish (with some stuff made a bit clearer).

1. Does Nocturnal have a website yet, or plans for one?


Not, and yes.
Oliver Diaz is the designer at Nocturnal--he did the new cover--and he's really good at websites.
We may move mot or all the content from my site there.



2. Will TGPC also be reprinted (and from what I've read in other posts, corrected, since some have spoken of various dates and ages being off)? WW's release was so limited, and so expensive (and so un-advertised, dangit) that very few people managed to hear about it or get a copy, myself included, and then those that had 'em decided to re-sell the beasties for ridiculous amounts.


Yes, as soon as I sell the rest of my private hoard at $300 each. :-D Kidding.
Yes, i will be redone as a 1.1 editon
available in soft cover, hard cover POD and/or PDF



3. Will any of the old, "classic" materials from Chaosium/Green Knight be reprinted and updated?


Yes, they will.
We will update them, likely rearrange them, etc.



4. Will Greg's newer, self-published Pendragon books be added to the new catalog?


Yes.
In fact, the first release will be Book of BRITONS, character generation for all Britain. This is formerly the first half of K&L, cut down to make a smaller, more affordable package.
Book of BATTLE will follow that one.
VASSALS is being revised, and some new material being prepared (RAIDING), and it's largely a matter of what gets done first.



5. Do you think we'll ever be able to afford an annual Pendragon (RPG) convention, where we all show up in period garb and get totally dungfaced while listening to each other tell tall tales (ie. stuff our characters did)? Aw, c'mon. Please? ;)


Well of course, and depending on who WE includes it will be in Warwick Castle, private for the week of the convention, during which the entire GPC will be played out in 24/7 so that on the last day everyone including the wives and children of the guests are in a huge battle at Camlann (new Size rules in effect!) and the losers forfeit their hoses and armor, I mean their cars or bus passes, and their copies of GPC.

No problem!





To yer good health, sirs!

VASSALS is being revised, and some new material being prepared (RAIDING), and it's largely a matter of what gets done first.



VASSALS = Book of the Manor

Thanks for all the replies. :)

I did overlook one question, though. I think it's been addressed already, but I can't remember for sure, so what the heck, I'll ask again.

Will Greg's self-published stuff be made available, in its current form, as PDFs? I'm a Pendragon (RPG) collector, and have been into the game since it first came out (loved the first edition boxed set), and I dearly regret that I wasn't able to afford those newer books for the collection, so it would be some consolation to be able to at least see them in electronic format if ever released that way. Very glad to hear the material will be effectively reproduced in newer supplements, but it would still be nice to see how they were originally presented.

I'm pretty sure that won't happen. Since the material in those books is going to be presented in other supplements, it wouldn't make sense. The old versions would compete with the new versions, and damage sales for both.

Gonna have to respectfully disagree with ya on that one. There are collectors and general gamers, and PDFs of the original versions would appeal to the collectors at the very least, and tide-over the general gamers until the new books are released. And then, of course, assuming Nocturnal will be following the usual "modern" method of releasing PDF versions of their current lineup, we'd have access to the revised info, which would appeal to both groups and generate sales as per usual. I honestly can't see any conflict. Gamers typically always want the newer, revised, most up-to-date rulebooks, anyway, so there'll definitely be a primary desire for the Nocturnal printings (or PDFs) over any "legacy" editions that would mainly appeal to the collectors.

Will Greg's self-published stuff be made available, in its current form, as PDFs?


Probably not.
New editions of those books will be released.



I'm a Pendragon (RPG) collector, and have been into the game since it first came out (loved the first edition boxed set), and I dearly regret that I wasn't able to afford those newer books for the collection, so it would be some consolation to be able to at least see them in electronic format if ever released that way. Very glad to hear the material will be effectively reproduced in newer supplements, but it would still be nice to see how they were originally presented.


I suppose that we could do something for this need. I'll leave it to the crew upstairs who does the money stuff.

I don't like old copies hanging around, because i keep having to repeat myself about preferring Nobles Book etc. and then I always ignore questions from old editions, since they are not recommended and I don't use them and usually because I don't remember them anyway.

Well of course, and depending on who WE includes it will be in Warwick Castle, private for the week of the convention, during which the entire GPC will be played out in 24/7 so that on the last day everyone including the wives and children of the guests are in a huge battle at Camlann (new Size rules in effect!) and the losers forfeit their hoses and armor, I mean their cars or bus passes, and their copies of GPC.

No problem!



The new size rules! Does that mean I'm invited? I've been itching for a chance to try out that greatsword I bought back in the 80s. And only hard copies of the GPC count, right?



To yer good health, sirs!

Great news about the reprints from the older Chaosium/Green Knight stuff. I have many of the PDFs but I would definetly buy every single one of my favourites in printed format, specially if updated to 5.1 edition.

A few questions: will the missing character stats from the GPC that were sold as an independent PDF by Arthaus be included in the new GPC 5.1 edition by Nocturnal?

Also, will we be abble to buy hard-cover versions in PoD or will we have to wait for "special limited" hardcover editions?

Also, will the rules for battles be somewhat updated (although with lesser detail of course) in KAP 5.1 to reflect the changes in the Book of Battle or will they remain the same as in the 5th edition?


I'm eagerly waiting for the new books. I still kick myself in the arse for not buying the books when I had them in my hands at a local shop (and in Hard-cover, no less >:( !!!)

A few questions: will the missing character stats from the GPC that were sold as an independent PDF by Arthaus be included in the new GPC 5.1 edition by Nocturnal?


Probably not.
They would screw up the page count to much, and we can't afford that right now.



Also, will we be able to buy hard-cover versions in PoD or will we have to wait for "special limited" hardcover editions?


Hard cover, soft cover and pdf versions will be available.




Also, will the rules for battles be somewhat updated (although with lesser detail of course) in KAP 5.1 to reflect the changes in the Book of Battle or will they remain the same as in the 5th edition?



They will be the same.
i just have not had time to properly chop the Battle System down to a size manageable for the book.

Thanks for the answers, Greg. I'll be eagerly awaiting the publication of these gaming pearls :)

Greg, I have a few more questions I'm curious about. I hope you don't mind.

1) the rules for hunting were revised and clarified after the publication of KAP 5.0. Will the ones in the book be updated and clarified too?

2) What exactely do you mean by
VASSALS is being revised, and some new material being prepared (RAIDING), and it's largely a matter of what gets done first.? Is new raiding rules beying added to the VASSALS (Book of the Manor) book? Or are you preparing a new book dedicated to raiding?

3) any chance of adding some of the material on hunting, heraldry, feasts, tournments, etc that were part of Lordly Domains to the new VASSALS book? I always loved that expanded information (my friends have it) but I don't own the book. I could probably get a pdf but I love to have my Pendragon stuff in physical copy and it would be a really nice way to put some excelent material back in print together with the new rules. Plus, The Book of the Manor had a very reduced page count and could benefit from some "beefing-up", unless you/Nocturnal are going for the cheapest, most accessible possible prices?

4) is there any chance that some of the PoD books to be available on Amazon (UK and COM)? I have bought some PoD books through Amazon in the past and it worked fine. I guess it's a matter of setting agreements with Amazon?

5) will some of the books, like VASSALS, which have a very low page count (~45 pages), be also available in Hard-Cover through PoD?

Sorry to bother you again with my questions, Greg, but I'm really excited about a new KAP edition!

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Greg, I have a few more questions I'm curious about. I hope you don't mind.


Happy to reply.



1) the rules for hunting were revised and clarified after the publication of KAP 5.0. Will the ones in the book be updated and clarified too?


No.




2) What exactly do you mean by
VASSALS is being revised, and some new material being prepared (RAIDING), and it's largely a matter of what gets done first.? Is new raiding rules being added to the VASSALS (Book of the Manor) book? Or are you preparing a new book dedicated to raiding?


At this moment, it is either a complete book, currently called Book of PRIVATE WAR, or that will be included in the revised VASSALS.



3) any chance of adding some of the material on hunting, heraldry, feasts, tournments, etc that were part of Lordly Domains to the new VASSALS book? I always loved that expanded information (my friends have it) but I don't own the book.


This excellent material will be released in its appropriate place.
We are reorganizing some of the materials have appeared haphazardly in the past.



I could probably get a pdf but I love to have my Pendragon stuff in physical copy and it would be a really nice way to put some excelent material back in print together with the new rules. Plus, The Book of the Manor had a very reduced page count and could benefit from some "beefing-up", unless you/Nocturnal are going for the cheapest, most accessible possible prices?


We do want to keep the prices down. The physical copies will be less expensive than I have had to charge.
But ultimately, the pricing policy is up to Nocturnal, not me.




4) is there any chance that some of the PoD books to be available on Amazon (UK and COM)? I have bought some PoD books through Amazon in the past and it worked fine. I guess it's a matter of setting agreements with Amazon?


I guess.
The men upstairs at N will handle that.




5) will some of the books, like VASSALS, which have a very low page count (~45 pages), be also available in Hard-Cover through PoD?


again, I do not know yet.
However, from what I do know of the process, this will be an option.

I think you will even be able to get old Chaosium books hard covered...

Greg, thanks for the excelent responses.


I think you will even be able to get old Chaosium books hard covered...

:o :o :o

Greg, I hope you don't mind, but I have juuuuuust one more question... ::)


This excellent material [Grand Events] will be released in its appropriate place.
We are reorganizing some of the materials have appeared haphazardly in the past.


I think you will even be able to get old Chaosium books hard covered...

So just for clarification: things like the Grand Events stuff in Lordly Domains (and presumably other background things) are going to be reorganized and updated (where needed) to 5.1 edition. But what happens to those old Chaosium/GreenKnight books that provide a mix of background and adventures? From your quote it seems that they will see "just" a reprint and not a full update. I know it's too early for much details but are you updating books like Blood&Lust, Perilous Forest, Savage Mountains, The Spectre King, Gray Knight, etc, or are they going to be reprinted/PoD "as-is"?

I hope I'm not beying much of a pain in the arse... ::)

From earlier in the thread:


Will any of the old, "classic" materials from Chaosium/Green Knight be reprinted and updated?

Yes, they will. We will update them, likely rearrange them, etc.

I'm guessing that if this is done, they probably won't also republish "raw" as-is versions of earlier materials as well, so I imagine those POD hardcovers will be arranged and useful for 5.1. Just a theory, but it makes sense given the stated intent.

So just for clarification: things like the Grand Events stuff in Lordly Domains (and presumably other background things) are going to be reorganized and updated (where needed) to 5.1 edition.


Yes. Eventually. I have no set plans now.



But what happens to those old Chaosium/GreenKnight books that provide a mix of background and adventures? From your quote it seems that they will see "just" a reprint and not a full update. I know it's too early for much details but are you updating books like Blood&Lust, Perilous Forest, Savage Mountains, The Spectre King, Gray Knight, etc, or are they going to be reprinted/PoD "as-is"?


Both, probably.
Updating to 5.1 is really just a little change from the Chaosium line. They were designed with this campaign structure in mind

OK, thank you Greg and everyone else (again) for the replies.

:)