OK so last game I decided to riff on Edward III's Taking of Mortimer and had my guys try to sneak into an undergarrisoned Nottingham castle via the caves that honeycomb the underlying rock. TBH I was expecting the venture to go awry for them, but I guess I'm not the sort of killer-DM that Greg exemplifies and so they were able to pull of the feat.

Now it's a strong position and a very valuable prize (historically Nottingham was one of the key fortifications of the kingdom - highly defensible, controlled the lowest bridging point on the Trent etc). But the garrison were short handed and the place was taken by subterfuge (at least to start with - there was a bit of scrimmage before the garrison surrendered).

What would be an appropriate glory award for siezing the castle?

Regards
Luke

I'd be inclined to go with glory = the DV of the castle (the same as the annual award).

THat way more difficult/formidable casltes wouldresult in more Glory.

My gut feeling is that something like 50 Glory per person (I assume Atgxtg meant DV per person) is quite little compared to beating a knight in the open. Granted, the PKs would get the Glory of their fight within the castle, too, so it might balance out.

Still, I would be inclined to give them something like 100 Glory extra per person, since it is not every day that they will take a castle with just a few men. Maybe even more. How big a deal do you want to make it in your campaign? If capturing this castle is a big deal (averting a civil war or bringing it to a successful conclusion), I wouldn't see 250 Glory as too excessive, even. And with some royal favor distributed onto them (assuming they are working for the King).

Or if you wish to make it a bit more formulaic, how about 1000 Glory divided by the PKs? Strong but not that important castle, 500 divided. A small castle, 250 divided. A small motte, 100 divided. In addition to everything else they did.

I meant glory for the commander of the attack.

Everyobdy else would just get glory for the battle, which would probably be considerable.

Rather than giving an extra 100 glory for being outnumbered, I'd run it as a battle and give the multipliers to glory for being outnumbered (typically x2), and give the "postion of honor" adjustments to the first unit that goes over the walls or charges through the gate. That should net the PKs some decent glory, maybe as much as 1,000 points! <grin>.

Atgxtg's suggestion would be appropriate for a full-dress storming party I think. My situation is a group of about a dozen men (led by the PKs), coming up at dead of night via a secret passage into the inner bailey and then rapidly overcoming the surprised garrison before they can effectively coordinate a response.

The castle is a pretty big deal - Nottingham is the key to Bedegraine county, which has been a cockpit for contending factions throughout the anarchy. My game is at 503, so the PK's grabbing Nottingham means that Natanleod's people will acquire a solid foothold on the north bank of the Trent and be fully able to exploit their recent victory at Lincoln (the Sheriff of Nottingham has been, of late, a Malahautian appointment IMG).

Obviously there is the glory for defeating foes - that's pretty straightforward.

What I'm after is the glory for the feat. The rules suggest 100 glory for a heroic feat or 250 glory for a very heroic feat, but that seems a little vanilla - having something tied to the DV of the castle would be nice.

Regards
Luke

Well, they is a x2 modfier that is sometimes applied when the PCs are outnumbered. IF you think the PCs warrent it, give then a multiplier to the glory gained for taking the castle with a smaller force that is typical. Maybe DV x2 (or DV x5, or DV x10 or some such if you want).

But I suspect the glory form defeating foes, expecially with a x2 or better multiplier for being outnumbered, is going to stack up glory gfast enough to make the castle award academic.


I had a group do something like thing in a campaign long ago (3 PKs plus Modred). I forgot what I gave for glory, but I don't think I gave then much (if any) extra glory for taking the caslte. But since they were able to keep it (and the land) by marrying the heriess the rewards were more than acceptable.

The rulebook has some guidelines here, with the 100/250/1000 glory awards for heroic or extraordinary awards.
If it's an outstanding achievement, one that will be spoken of for years to come, 1,000 glory is the right amount. Whether that's each, or divided amongst them is up to you.
Alternatively, you could give them 100 or 250 each, for the lesser but still notable heroic awards.

I might give them whatever glory they won in that little scrimmage, plus 250 each for the outstanding deed when they are rewarded (or at least acknowledged) in their liege's court for the prize they won for him.