DISHONORABLE DEEDS
We need to add some. Dishonor is entirely a matter of their reputation for those not Just 13+.

Building a castle without License -2
Deflowering a Noble virgin -2
Deflowering a Noble virgin while a guest of her her parents -4
Adultery with a Noblewoman -2*
Adultery with a noble hostess -4*
Adultery with one's Lord's wife -8*
Raping a Noblewoman while a guest -4*
Raping a nun -4* (Christians only, most nuns were noble , so – 2 more normally)
Raping a Priestess -2* ( Pagans only)
Raping a virgin Priestess -4* (Pagans only)
Wounding a guest while a guest -1
Killing a guest while a guest -2
Killing a member of one's host's family while a guest -4
Killing one's host while a guest -6
Comforting outlaws -1*
Comforting raiders -1*
Comforting Saxon raiders -2*
Aiding outlaws -4*
Aiding raiders -4*
Aiding Saxon raiders -8* (obviously does not apply to Saxons)
Being a convicted outlaw -8*
Attempting to overthrow: one's lord; a peer of Logres or King Arthur -8*
Being a Rutter (Mercenary Knight) -4, honor and glory restored if they become a lord's knight.
Being a Thief -6*
Being a Robber -8*
Killing an official of one's lord -2
Killing a Royal official -2 (includes: Sub-escheators; Bailiffs; Coroners; Sheriffs; Verderers; Foresters; Wardens; Portreeves; Jurors while they're serving).
Killing a Royal official performing their duties -4*
Killing a member of one's lord's household -4
Killing a member of the Royal Household -4
Killing a Royal Peer -4 ( includes his Household officials, Barons, Counts and Dukes)
Killing a Knight of the Round table -4
Murdering a member of the Royal Household -8*
Murdering a Royal Peer -8*
Murdering a Royal official -8*
Murdering a Knight of the Round Table -8*
Wounding a Lady or knight maliciously -1*
Wounding one's Lord -4*
Perjury in a Royal court -2*
Cowardice while serving as part of one's Lord's host -4*
Flagrant cowardice while serving as part of one's Lord's Host -8*

Individuals committing these are subject to being deprived of all their: benefices/manors; goods and chattels when committed against one's Lord or fellow vassals and being expelled from the county; those committing them against king Arthur or in Logres are subject to being made outlaws. Outlaws are banished from Logres for a year, during which anyone may kill/murder them if they're found in Logres. After one year's Outlawry per point of dishonor they. Those committing a -4* deed are also subject to execution by beheading if noble, other wise by hanging.
Those committing a -8* deed are subject to execution by hanging even if Noble.


Hanging involves: being disemboweled; having one's guts burnt before one and then being hanged by being drawn up into the air by one's neck and slowly strangled.

Nobles may demand Trial by Combat rather than by jury to be found innocent of misdeed. Whomever loses a -8* Trial by Combat is hanged even if they survive by being knocked unconscious. They will have their wounds treated so that they can be executed by hanging (miscalled drawn and quartered).

Evil deeds committed in foreign countries don't count as dishonorable acts within one's country, especially if done in war.

Some questions/remarks:

- you state several times 'Killing...' as an dishonorable act. But what about a proper challenge and duel? This may end in a killing of another knight, but would not be considered dishonorable if the duel was to the death. Even if it is an officer of tour own lord. It would probably reduce your loyalty (or hospitality if it is a guest), but not honor.
- In those days being not at court when called for was a way to become an outlaw. This could even be for an offense that only warranted a fine. So being an outlaw was bad, but when caught could be bought of when the fine was paid (including of course the fine for not appearing). The prison was introduced to prevent people from not appearing as it happened often. Especially if they could not pay the fine.

I'm curious if these numbers would be any different in the Uther and Anarchy periods. Seems like these are intended for King Arthur's reign. Uther's is a bit darker, looser and less chivalrous.


T.

Some questions/remarks:

- you state several times 'Killing...' as an dishonorable act. But what about a proper challenge and duel? This may end in a killing of another knight, but would not be considered dishonorable if the duel was to the death. Even if it is an officer of tour own lord. It would probably reduce your loyalty (or hospitality if it is a guest), but not honor.
- In those days being not at court when called for was a way to become an outlaw. This could even be for an offense that only warranted a fine. So being an outlaw was bad, but when caught could be bought of when the fine was paid (including of course the fine for not appearing). The prison was introduced to prevent people from not appearing as it happened often. Especially if they could not pay the fine.


I'm using killing the way it was usually used in the middle ages, as killing in a fight. Killing raiders, robbers, outlaws, rapists or in trial by combat did not count. Murder was killing by stealth or trying to conceal the killing (implying murder). Failing to appear though an offense against the law did not dishonor one.

I'm curious if these numbers would be any different in the Uther and Anarchy periods. Seems like these are intended for King Arthur's reign. Uther's is a bit darker, looser and less chivalrous.


T.


Good point as always Taliesin.

DISHONORABLE DEEDS

Nice list
Thank you

Glory in KAP is never reduced
Honor may be