Recently, one of my players was given an extra manor as a gift by Countess Ellen in the year 499. How does this work? Does the player knight receive the full 6 libra, or does a portion go to the Countess? I'm using the Book of the Manor.

Simple answer: he needs to hire a household knight since he now owes two knights (one per manor). This costs £4 per year, leaving him with £2 extra per year.

It is slightly more complicated than this; £1 should go to better food, clothes to show off the new status but feel free to ignore it.

And depending the distance he might need to hire a steward to run the second manor for 1L..

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And depending the distance he might need to hire a steward to run the second manor for 1L..


Given that it is 499, in the middle of Anarchy, and the manor is granted by Countess Ellen, I suspect it is a good bet that the new manor is Salisbury, too. As per Book of the Warlord, it only takes one Steward. Your Pendragon May Vary, of course. :)

You also probably want to hire a few soldiers to watch over the place...

You also probably want to hire a few soldiers to watch over the place...


Each manor comes with 3 foot soldiers, as default. But hiring a couple more might not be a bad idea during Anarchy.

No, you're going about it all wrong. Train the wives....

Sorry, couldn't resist it. My manor was actually attacked during the Anarchy phase. My wife (and servants) had to defend it when the attackers broke through. Luckily, she had a high Love (husband). But, from that point on, she demanded something better than a knife...

two real options, 1. Install a Steward to run the 2nd manor and a Sergent to defend it total cost 4£ leaving you 1-3£ extra profit a year, but likely to attract enemies wanting to raid your 2nd holding or draw you away from your primary holding so they can sack it unless you employ a Sergent to defend it when you are away proforming your Vassal duties or rushing to the aid of your other Manor. So your operation now costs 12£ with 10-14£ in income (not accounting for other income producing improvements).

Option 2. Install a Vassal Knight, if a Knight Bachelor introduce him to your Wife's Maid or Lady in Waiting bacause married or not he's still going to cost you 6£ a year.

Option 1 gives you more disposable income and/or a safety net against a bad years if you cheap out and not hire a 2nd Sergent as insurance against marauders or enemies, Option 2 gets you more glory since you are now a Vassalor, I think you get a Glory bump for taking on your first Vassal and receive Glory each year for supporting you Vassal.

Sir Brad, I fear you are in error on both accounts...

Option 1: The default grant of a manor is one knight per manor. Not one sergeant. If you try to pass off your £2 sergeant as £4 household knight and pocket the difference, the Countess would be within her rights to repossess the manor since you are not fulfilling your sworn obligations as her vassal.

Option 2: No, you don't need to make it a vassal knight. You can simply hire a household knight (£4 per year, includes horses and a squire) and keep the manor for yourself and your heirs.

Since the OP is using Book of the Manor, the manor is producing £6 per year on average harvest, which means he ought to get £6-£4 = £2 extra to spend in a year. Now, he might wish to spend that money to beef up security (like that extra sergeant, or 4 foot soldiers), or he could use it to pay off the Saxon tributes that they are demanding during Anarchy, etc.

Hey Hire a Sergent for each Manor to act as Bailiff, a Steward for one and have your wife act as steward for the other then traipse back and forward overseeing the whole operation, didn't say claim the Sergeants as Knights. your clearly taking a direct interest, and have a chance at earning some Encounter Glory and Checks in your Travels

If you install a Vassal at the 2nd Manor, congratulations your an Overlord, you get Glory for supporting that Vassal but those few Glory can put you over the top if your a bit short one winter.

Hey Hire a Sergent for each Manor to act as Bailiff, a Steward for one and have your wife act as steward for the other then traipse back and forward overseeing the whole operation, didn't say claim the Sergeants as Knights. your clearly taking a direct interest, and have a chance at earning some Encounter Glory and Checks in your Travels


Assuming your Liege agrees that you should bring 1 knight (yourself) and 2 Sergeants to the muster when called, rather than the default 2 knights for two manors, sure. Check with your Liege, first. The requirements of the army (servitium debitum) should be unambiguously spelled out in the original charters of the manors. If both say '1 knight', then it is 1+1 = 2 knights, not 1 knight + 2 sergeants. That is all I am saying.



If you install a Vassal at the 2nd Manor, congratulations your an Overlord, you get Glory for supporting that Vassal but those few Glory can put you over the top if your a bit short one winter.


Glory for supporting a Vassal? I don't think that happens in 5th edition... could be one of your GM's houserules?